Americans whining about wanting to leave the country and take refuge in Canada
for what, so you can squat here and continue to do nothing while your country becomes a Fascist and Imperialist Oligarchy?
No. Maybe we can talk after the Civil war starts when your country invades ours. But for now, this is your problem to deal with.
So…we don’t want allies before they invade us, only after. Got it.
There are a few people in America who agree with your stance on refugees.
Those aren’t allies. they’re mouths to feed and heads to put roofs over, which we dont have.
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We have enough problems with people coming into the country with false pretenses and fake asylum. The last thing we need is trojan horses from a country thats suddenly started threatening to invade us.
we have a housing crisis being inflamed by an immigration crisis. Now that we are being directley threatened, Canada isn’t just a refuge for people to use as a safety net to hide in. If they want to come to the country they can apply through the usual process, but there isn’t any special relationship anymore. Thats dead.
if things get really bad, and the US devolves into a civil war, (we will be a part of it). then we can talk about taking in people. but for now its just way too much of a risk for very little reward. Unless they’re going to bring their businesses and jobs with them, they would be consumers, not contributors. and we can’t afford that as the world inches closer to world war than its ever been. especially now that America is not a reliable ally and more importantly, a threat.
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Civil war starts when your country invades ours
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Ohhh, when the USA erupts in civil war AFTER they invade us. I initially thought that you were saying America invading us would be civil war
I’m with Zellensky, the “interesting” thing will turn out to be, whether or not Mr. “no foreign wars” is going to put US boots on the ground in Ukraine to back it’s complete surrender to Russia, and if Europe will start marching troops into Ukraine wearing “were not NATO” tshirts. And while the cartoon is funny, what’s not funny is Canada spends 1.38% of it’s GDP on defense, Europe on average spends ~ 2%, they’ve both enjoyed the post war defensive umbrella that the united states has provided and for the last 70 years, even after war reconstruction, they’ve decided to spend their GDP on yearly 5 week holidays for their workers, and “free” healthcare for their citizens. though a few european states are nuclear armed, in a ground fight, Europe and Canada could not pose a deterrent through production of arms, or standing armies of soldiers, in 10 years if they started yesterday.
Yeah, as an American I want free healthcare, five weeks vacation and only a few % spending on defense and a lack of nukes outside of power plants.
You wanna know how we do that? By taxing the fucking rich or beheading them if they won’t comply. You don’t get to hundreds of millions of dollars or billions without exploiting and stealing from everyone else. Time to pay up or shut up for good.
Hegseth, Musk and Vance have effectively declared NATO is dead as far as US is concerned. The only interest they have with europe is pilfering and looting your resources.
the same cannot be said for vladimir putin
Putin is an old man who fantasises about eras bygone, hes a conniving and sneaky person with ultimately very simple and untintelligent goals.
i do not contest any of that, and still, europe cannot defend itself against him. the only reason ukraine has been able to hold their own is whith massive and regular shipments of us weaponry. something europe has never stockpiled, nor developed the means of fabricating, in enough quantity to make even a token defense against the russian war machine. these are fact.
Russia’s Army is spent. All they are able to do against Europe in the short term is lob missiles and some artillery, and send poorly equipped 2nd and 3rd rate units at them now.
dont get me wrong, It’d be bloody. itd no longer be the decisive ass kicking that it would have prior to the US’s fascist swerve. But Europe still has enough firepower to bring Russia to a halt. Russia expended its ability to wage large scale ground war in Ukraine.
I dont know if you’re American, Im not saying that. But Americans seem to grossly overfixate on how “weak” Europe is. They have gaps in their capability if America was to fuck off tommorow. But they are far from helpless. Europe’s weakness is political will to switch from butter to guns, but they still have guns.
I think it will shock Europeans, but it will not shock me, how quickly Europe pivots from “Ukraine must be free” to cauterization. I think you vastly overestimate Europe’s ability to defend, in a conventional boots on the ground non nuclear conflagration, itself without American weapons shipments both free and without those no longer able to be purchased, which are now going to be off the table, as well as pent up Russian insanity, now after 3 years of having their asses handed to them and yet still gaining huge sections of Ukraine while suffering enormous losses
Russia hasn’t been making huge gains. the overwhelming majority of their gains were secured in the first attack.
How ironic that the only country to actually invoke Article 5 and receive NATO assistance under it is the one that’s now ditching NATO.
NATO by and large has been a tool of America to make Europe subservient to it, rather than an equal ally.
People forget that the cold war was all about two countries trying to carve the world up into their own ideologies. America’s was the better option for a while, But Now they’re no option.
Weird that we have more solidarity with the EU than Mexico.
I’m Mexican and I’m baffled that Canada is trying to distance itself from us. I sincerely don’t get why we’re constantly being excluded.
Its very frustrationg. We should be taking notes from you guys, not pushing you away.
Are we? That’s disappointing.
As a Canadian, I am confused by that also. Mexico would be a lot safer if the US had more stricter gun laws, and didn’t smuggle them into Mexico.
Shared language and cultural background goes far. But it’s definitely time we strengthen ties beyond that
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could be that only 44% of EU citizens understand English, and most don’t really share a cultural background with us
Racism goes even further.
I‘m german and I watch in real time how a fascist Gouvernement is taking over the US.
Sometimes I feel like I take crazy pills, when a friend of mine assures me that Donald Trump is just a business man who wants to help the country. Or when a good friend of mine who I considered sane and intelligent until this moment sends me a link to a J. D. Vance interview and tells me what a very smart guy this is.
It’s infuriating. And lonely. I think every American against this should be allowed to speak openly and participate. We have to work together, or we have lost already.
How anyone can think Trump is in it for anyone but himself after his first term is baffling. You only need moderate thinking skills to realize that, which I understand is an issue as well with education.
Suddenly feeling blessed with my (arguably not too many) friends here, also in Germany, who are all center to left. All of them despise AfD and Trump.
But at least people are revealing their true face. 🤷
But at least people are revealing their true face
Yeah, like during COVID. My Mom always says at least you know now who’s crazy an who’s not.
I can assure you that it’s the people you are talking to that take the crazy pills on the regular.
Thanks mate!
I’m so glad that this is the overwhelming response in the comments. We must stick together.
There’s a video on I believe YouTube of jd Vance talking about east Palestine (where there was a train derailment and chemical spill that destroyed a town). You should watch it. He sounds like Bernie sanders in it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He’s smart, he’s competent, he’s got a handful of good ideas (broken clock right twice a day) but he’s also a fucking fascist. IIRC Hitler improved working conditions for the good Aryan Germans during his reign while doing horror to everyone else. That’s how they get their support and a whole lot of people will dismiss the crazy shit as not really happening.
The technofascists that are backing trump want to seek power legally just like Hitler and then … just like Hitler … turn the country into a dictatorship. And genocide the undesirables. Look up Curtis yarvin. Dudes a fucking creep of a philosopher that has the ear and backing of all the technofascists. They are out in the open with what they’re doing.
Lonely is right.
The amount of respect that I’ve lost for my family over the past decade is immeasurable. They taught me right from wrong, and now they’re surprised that I think differently from them. My brother is the only one I’m still close with; everyone else I’ve been keeping at increasingly large distances. I used to call Mom almost every day, and now I’m lucky if I call her once a week.
Honestly I can very much relate. Both my parents are boomers and lifelong conservatives. Our relationships have always been strained but I’m questioning if I should or can even keep contact with them at this point. I’m revolted that they’re both Trump voters and supporters.
This is so fucking accurate. My mom and dad are both Elon musk-sniffers. I used to think they were intelligent, but the way they just drink the conservative business billionaire worship flavoraid is embarrassing. Fortunately, my younger sister is equally frustrated talking to them, and we often talk about their ignorance.
I do see a lot of American replies saying “well I didn’t vote for this so it’s not my fault.”
Fault isn’t the issue for me. All Americans have a responsibility to course correct. The sooner it can be done in numbers the less risky it is for them to stand up and speak out.
I think the punchline of this meme is based in the reality I find myself in. The rest of the world is trying to figure out what life is going to be like when a former ally becomes ambivalent at best and an active adversary at worst. I really can’t be arsed to respond to every commenter who sucks the oxygen out of the room seeking absolution or exception to the anti-American sentiment.
They have a strong individualist consumer culture. If they can’t individually consume their way out of it, many of them think they’ve done everything they can.
Not their fault would get a silent thumbs-up from me. I’m not judging any individual American - the current vibe is angry, but I think most of us have known enough of them to know many are fine.
Realistically, what do you expect at this point in time?
Trump’s in office since less than a month. There have already been larger protests. With 50501, there is a movement growing. Things will take time.
I’m in favor of showing more empathy to everyone who’s personally affected and didn’t vote for this, including people who got robbed of their opportunity to vote.
It’s unreasonable to ask already marginalized groups now “why aren’t you correcting this?”. There is no quick way to correct this. It will be a long and drawn-out process, and maybe will also require the insight of Americans that lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech.
lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech
A dangerous yet necessary concept
I think what he is saying is they are still trying to figure out the impact on them and their response.
We let ourselves get put in this shit, we need to deal with it. I am starting to believe the idea that we have to put fear into the heart of fascism. We cannot equivocate protecting free speech with protecting hate speech, we have to judge and call people out on their bullshit, otherwise we end up here.
Protests barely have effect. What we need is more government workers growing spines.
We need every second amendment enthusiast to well regulate themselves into a militia and grow a fucking spine and fight this coup.
Or since the coup is marching in with laptops and USBs instead of tanks and guns, idk, fucking stop them?
We have a gun behind every blade of grass but we’ve been taught whitewashed history for generations so no one realizes they can fight back in ways that don’t involve pointlessly marching around with signs and getting pepper sprayed, tear gassed, shot at with rubber bullets and arrested.
The real way to fight fascism historically is communism. You haven’t been taught whitewashed history, you’ve been radicalised against your own interests
You read my comment wildly wrong. Whitewashed history is all the peaceful nonviolent civil rights protests and leaders they lie about. For example, MLKs I have a dream but not MLKs letter from Birmingham jail.
I’m not radicalized against my own interests, I’m an ancom
As an American I think I’m going insane? The last 3 weeks have been some of the most anxious and stressed I’ve ever been.
Trump’s first term was nothing like this, there’s a feeling of apathy in the air among people and coworkers (I live in a very liberal city in the deep south). Folks around here just seem to be on edge at all times, whether you’re pro or anti in a much more divisive way.
There’s a strange feeling knowing there’s a solid chance we won’t make it out of this one. There have been plenty of times in the past where we’ve had doom and gloom (Trump v1, conservatives and Obama), etc. Nothing ever happens, but this time I’m fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone given the shear destruction being waged against our institutions.
It’s because this isn’t Trump’s term. It’s elons. And I know people say that to make fun of them, but it’s also said because it’s actually true.
Trump is incompetent. Useless. Corrupt. Elon has actual dedication, he’s shit at it, but he actually tries. He’s not lazy. But he’s still corrupt
It’s more than Elon’s… There’s a lot of crypto billionaires behind the scenes.
Billionaires in general
“Shush your mouth, you are not the president” - xj4856df (i can’t remember the characters of his identification)
I’m fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone
I do feel bad for the american citizens suffering the consequences, but the US Empire falling is a net positive for the rest of the world. Ask people from Palestine, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, who suffered the US hegemony
Id love for the US to transition to having less influence globally without totally collapsing, but if this is how we do it, so be it.
It’s kinda the devil we know situation, if the US steps down, who steps up? Are they going to be better or worse, who knows. I never really bought into the notion that we had to be the world police or that all the evil stuff we did, we did because we had to.
Protesting is a good start, but I’d say the McMillan TAC-50 is a better choice at this point.
Well, I’m not looking forward to the German elections next week either. #notallgermans #fckafd
See the responses to your post on [email protected], I can’t be bothered copying them here
We need all the help we can get. If some of the Americans are on my side, then I gladly accept their help. Hopefully they rise up before it’s too late.
Are you guys aware that the point is to show you, as a sign of camaraderie, that there are Americans who disagree with the current admin, rather than to try to get praise?
Dont let this post speak for all Canadians. I personally appreciate every single one of you american brothers who are against these fascist regime. We fucked them up in 1945 and we will do it again!
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Together as one!
yes we totally understand how all this must feel for you. Even for people who voted for TFG didn’t want this stuff to happen. These arseholes are actively dismantling your country from the inside. We’re counting on you folks to do something.
I understand it’s not as easy as a comment on The Internet but the American resistance needs to nut up and someone needs to put one between the eyes if everyone who architected or who is actively implementing Project 2025.
At this point the American military needs to stage a military coup and take back the country.
I don’t think it will ever happen but wishful thinking.
So many people are sitting on their hands going “Violence is never acceptable”.
I think I ate a 3 day ban on one of the communities for making a joke about guillotining billionaires. Bunch of bootlicking cowards. I get not wanting to go and do some murder on your own, but come on.
Because, and I’ll be blunt, a blanket of “guillotine billionaires” is disgusting. Billionaires shouldn’t exist but I have no qualms with Bill Gates or Warren Buffet for simply playing the game we were all forced to take part in.
Some billionaires like Musk, Zuckerberg, Ellison however… They should all be hung for treason.
I would give them a chance to divest before guillotining. But someone having that much money is disgusting. You know what you could do with that? You know how much was stolen from how many people to acquire that? That’s disgusting.
Look at this “wealth to scale” website https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/?v=3
In case you lost sense of how big these numbers are.
But at least we agree that some billionaires should be hung.
Ain’t no war but a class war.
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To be fair, considering the attempts on Trumps life so far I was quite surprised that people were taking matters into their own hands.
History will look kindly on them IMO.
Its really hard to have sympathy for any americans because even “the left” seems to have done everything possible to enable fascism by repeatedly throwing the working class under the bus in favour of corporations.
You all had your chance with Bernie but you kicked him to the curb for a creature grown in a lab by credit card corporations.
I have a lot of sympathy. I feel awful for them. Unfortunately, it is the kind of sympathy I would feel for an enemy soldier that I think is maybe fighting against their will. I feel bad for them but there is no way I am putting my gun down while they are around. They are still the enemy and “they” are still trying to kill me. We are not going to be friends.
You’re grouping us all together. I wish Bernie had been elected so bad… we even voted for him in my state, but the democratic party overrode that.
You’re making the same mistake as many Americans themselves do and confusing Democrats in general and the left. I didn’t think leftists were the ones who kicked Bernie to the curb. The left in America is very small but they do protest, do mutual aid, and form unions. You could argue they aren’t doing enough and when things get bad enough it’s time for terrorism, but that’s big talk when you are sitting behind a computer.
Nah, I appreciate the good Americans. Hopefully as many as possible can get out.
I’m in Alberta. The not-all-of-us thing is real.
Hey, me too.
I appreciate you all. I also appreciate hearing about the organizing and resistance efforts.
There have been effective protests that prevented hospitals from complying with doge. Make it hard to be a sellout Democrat or Danielle Smith supporter.
Fuck me for wanting in on a discussion about how my own country is going to shit, right? I guess I’ll go jump off a bridge or something
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Nah man, us Europeans are fucked as well. Fascists are gaining more and more traction here. We need interaction with you. We have to solve this shit together.
You do realize we’re going through a fascist coup right?
Not really. The people voted for this.
No, land voted for this. And people manipulated by the technofascists and their propaganda machines, social media, voted for this.
We haven’t had a free and fair election since before 2000.
This time he won a popular vote. Well, there was enormous amount of voters suppression, but that’s a given, everyone knew that will happen and had time to prepare. Half of eligible population didn’t even tried to do bare minimum.
Yes. And historically, what is the right response to a country that is doing that?
Healthy dose of Bolshevism
Complaining to other countries? /s
Lol no you are not.
What the fuck is that a real tweet?
Unfortunately
Time to prove that the second amendment really works then?
I hope we have other off ramps before that but we’re running out
Don’t make us Canadians do it for you!
Nobody is asking that, we have way more guns than you anyways. But some of us - such as queers like me - may want to seek refuge in your country.
Or maybe there could be a bloodless secession and some of us can join you as territories. If you’ll allow.
We might be forced to if Trump orders an invasion to try to make us the “51st state.”
I knew this was the route America was going on since I was a kid. Walked the picket line with teachers during high school when they went on strike, and was appalled at how I was spit on and cursed at by conservative adults.
In 2015/2016, told everyone Bernie was our second chance after we whiffed on Al Gore, and then we again fucked that up.
The masses here are beyond stupid. Wish I had the means to bring my family elsewhere.
Don’t know who needs to hear it, but here’s some advice that my philosophy professor left me with a long time ago:
Sometimes you can only save one person, and it’s okay for that person to be you.
where tho?
like, where is accessible but also an improvement in this metric, because I see conservative assholes proliferating like a disease.
then we again fucked that up.
The masses here are beyond stupid
European here. The fault is rarely ever in the masses. The oligarchs you’re trying to fight against control the media and the narrative, it’s extremely hard to win against that. Furthermore, wasn’t Bernie chosen by popular support and then kicked out by DNC?
This time it certainly feels like it - more people than I ever expected really do openly support what Trump is doing. It’s baffling.
And yes, they did. I can’t say for certain that he had the majority of Dem voters in his corner, though. It seemed like most anyone over 40 in 2016 wouldn’t give Bernie the time of day. Lots of older folks thought he was way too progressive
In 2015/2016, told everyone Bernie was our second chance
And this right here was your mistake. Even now you cannot see it?
I’m willing to consider California becoming the 11th province. We’re gonna make these GAFAM pay for all these years of manipulation and rename the US to Naziland.
Nah, California is too right-wing and populous, it’d overwhelm Canada’s Canadianness.
I think we should take Alaska, it always made more sense as a Canadian territory.
If you think California is too right wing, but Alaska isn’t?
It’s right wing too, but it’s not populous.
California’s population is roughly equal to Canada’s. Alaska’s got less than 2% of Canada’s population. We can absorb Alaska without too much disruption, California would be more of a fusion. And their economy is twice the size of Canada’s, so likely it’d be seen as more of Canada joining California rather than the other way around.
New England would almost entirely very much like to become the southern-most Canadian province.
No thanks. Other than VT they are more right-wing than Canada.
As one of “them,” I can confidentially tell you that that is not the case.
As one of “them”, I think it’s pretty close :/
Are you in New Hampshire?
Yes :(
That tracks. The Florida of New England 🤢
