Trying to share a video, a website, or ANYTHING visual on this stupid trash app is horrible. It shares at like 3 frames per second.
It’s useful for me to keep track chat conversations with coworkers, but it doesn’t really do anything that Discord can’t. It just has the benefit of being pre-installed on our work computers and it already has everyone’s contact info (plus then I don’t need to juggle multiple Discord accounts or teach my Boomer coworkers about Discord). Especially since I work in a building and location that has little to no cell service inside the building, it’s nice to be able to get ahold of people in a faster and less formal way than email.
But for any of the other advertised functions, it’s trash.
my proverbial non existent children, will not be having any sort of relations with anybody who develops cringe and unfunny closed sourced software, no sir, not in my household.
your proverbial non existent household
my household will be real, it’s just the children that are proverbial and non existent. But yes, the proverbial non existent household as well.
The coolest thing that happened to me with teams was somehow being invited and automatically accepted to some corpo training event. 1000 attendees. My computer would not shut the fuck up with random people in chat. It was so strange. It was like a twitch stream chat but talking about excel instead.
I have a small business and we all work from home. Teams is amazing for remote working. Great for chatting, sharing screens and remote controlling another computer. Don’t know why it’s getting so much hate.
Because it’s objectively worse than every major alternative while being absurdly resource intensive. Just watching it struggle feels like the punchline to a very dry & tragically unfunny joke
Teams feels a bit like a never ending beta. On one hand, it’s kind of nice to get constant tweaks and it’s generally pretty good. On the other, things do break from time to time. There’s also the whole “new teams” thing, which feels… very similar to “old teams”. All the old sillyness, like not being able to folder dive in a team while chatting (it will forget where you were when you switch back) for not much benefit. It also is a big regression in basics like spell check speed. It takes seconds for a red squiggle to send, so now my spoild self has to wait a bit before hitting enter.
At least it’s not new outlook. Everything on that is way slower and it’s very clear the UI was not optimized for a computer. Left click to spell check in an email body, right click to spell check in an email title. Want to add formatting in a meeting invite? Ha, that’s rich. Even very basic things like changing fonts take forever.
Both feel a bit like a new PM being given the reigns and going at it. I struggle to see what was so wrong with the old versions, especially outlook…
Its features are great, like any other web confrence software that does the same.
However the constant UI changes lead to a lot of issues for IT people who have re-tech the entire staff how to use it every update. For a small business thats not probably too bad. For somewhere with hundreds of employee working from home who barley know where the start menu is - that’s a nightmare.
The “new” teams doesn’t work with business accounts. you have to use the specific, now seperate, version for “work and school”. Guess which one the everyone’s existing desktop link is to? Now IT has to get everyone to use the right version of teams…an absolutely insane choice and terrible end user expirence.
Where meme?
Old man: “So my daughter says you are tech guy?”
Young man: “I am tech guy for thing you don’t like”
Old man: “I am going to kill you now.”
-this image macro and all future permutations transcribed simultaneously by lemming-to-normie translation AI
Wait wait wait… Are we talking about teams or “new teams”?
The new variants are just the webapps.
there’s plenty to hate on Ms for, but oddly, teams doesn’t trigger me.
I think the part about teams that bothers me the most is the broader o365, windows, onedrive, SharePoint etc “integration”. It’s so fucking bad.
I never know where anything is saving. Locally? On my one drive? In a temp folder that is findable and that file doesn’t even show up as a recent file? Or is it on some weird SharePoint backend that teams is using? Am I having an offline copy or did I just inadvertently save a copy to the shared drive?
It’s all just bad enough that it’s a horrendous overall user experience.
It feels like MS gets in the way more than it let’s me do my job. I didn’t always feel this way.
To top it off, the way people use it causes issues. Everyone does it differently. You could have people that use outlook for sending docs, people that use teams exclusively, people that use both, people that send share links in email, people that just tag you in some buried “team” you didn’t ever want to be a part of.
Then they’re like “did you see the thing I sent you?” …
Like fucking where?!? Where did you send it?! Let me go search for it–oh well search sucks, the activity feed is almost too verbose so meaningful things get buried too fast.
Bleh. The amount of productivity lost to MS software offsets almost any productivity gain we get from it. It’s a “wash” at best these days.
Yeah, it’s clunky for sure, but maybe we just don’t use it for that much
Who tf thought I’d ever want to edit a spreadsheet in a chat application anyway?
all that different from Discord? – people trying to use a proprietary chatroom for everything from support to wiki to knowledge base to documentation …
I can hate two things at once. You act like it’s hard.
Hating discord is so wonderfully easy to do, I could probably muster up the ability to do it as a way to compartmentalize my mind during intense torture by baddy mafia guys if I ever got caught on an undercover mission.
The point is to allow people to read and edit files without being able to download and take off with it, which would be necessary to open the document in its dedicated fat client.
If only that would be the worst. Someone over at M$ had the glorious idea to set up a different admin center for every fucking thing. Sometimes they interconnect, sometimes you can edit user in several admin centers, some things you can only edit in a particular one. You’re searching for specific settings over and over. And if that dumpster fire of bullshittery isn’t enough they randomly change the naming of everything or the position of menus without any apparent reason. So the knowledge you gained where certain settings goes to waste and you have to start all over again. Damn you Microsoft. If I’ll ever find out who’s responsible for that shit I’ll cut your head off and shit down your neck.
Edit: Just take a look at msportals.io to see how bad it has gotten. For my daily business I need several of M365 and Azure IT Admin portals. I hate it. I fucking hate it.
The only admin portal I’ve encountered that is more circular used to be Duo. That seems to have improved since, but I used to spend 40m trying to find an essential section and looping through links without getting there.
You forgot about the few random settings that can only be changed with powershell for some reason!
Then they change how you use powershell
If that’s not shit enough, they also keep renaming and completely overhauling those portals again and again.
Don’t get me started. Monthly scorecards that are mandated to be distributed via Teams, but you can’t embed files in that sheet, otherwise Teams shits the bed.
Also, who would ever want to adjust volume levels for individual speakers? Every huddle is fucking torture.
Yet, I can’t point/draw on the screen somebody shares (at least on Mac)
Or share only part of my screen. Very annoying since I only have a 5k2 ultrawide and a 4k in portrait. Regardless of which one I share, no one can read it. I have to switch the entire screen to some crappy low resolution so others can see what I’m doing.
Such a basic feature.
On KDE Plasma there’s an effect to zoom in the whole screen on your cursor (it may be windows-plus and windows-minus or you may need to set it yourself). I believe Windows has something similar as well as an accessibility feature. I should think that would work when screensharing.
I’m on macOS, it does work while screen sharing in that it zooms in on my monitor, but it doesn’t zoom in the shared screen.
I haaaate Teams. Worst thing ever to happen to workplace productivity. And (unless this has been fixed since I retired) chat history isn’t persistent past 6 months so you lose your proof of what was discussed, unlike email.
Chat history is forever by default and has been for years so far as I know, anything else is a company policy. People don’t appreciate how much control their company has over the experience.
unlike email.
Once worked a job in the financial sector, they enforced all Outlook clients to purge emails 3 months old AND disabled all of outlooks built-in archival tools…
Those bitches didn’t disable VBA though, so I built my own Outlook archival tool all in VBA complete with an sqlite DB and a UI. Ironically, it was more stable and less susceptible to corruption than outlooks own tools lolol
That policy sounds like destruction of evidence before it’s legally considered to be evidence.
Oh it for sure was, a year or 2 before I was hired they got hit with a regulation violation (not sure which anymore, I think it was Reg B) and then a few months after that this outlook policy conveniently came into effect to “minimize impact from a data breach” lmao
A subpoena is a certain kind of data breech if you think about it
I work in cybersecurity. This quote is gold and I’m putting it on our office whiteboard.
It wasn’t made for you.
The chat history is the big one for me. It’s not even that it’s not persistent; I’d be fine if it just purged all messages after a set period. The problem is that it seems to selectively purge some messages but keep others. Makes me feel like I’m crazy when I go back and try to find something that I know I sent a while ago, but there’s just a gap.
That’s probably some kind of data policies that your company has put in place. Default teams chat history is forever.
To me, this is its biggest flaw. You can’t scroll back in chats very far, but you can search for lines further back. However in a truly spectacular display of uselessness, the search only returns the chat bubble you searched for, with no surrounding context.
oh my god this drives me absolutely nuts when I’m looking for help I received months ago and distinctly remember enough to put into a search bar but can’t go back to the actual conversation… even though it is clearly saved somewhere since it still comes up in search!!!
From my experience, discord might have one of the best chat searches out there. It’s stupid fast and you can search metadata like time, sender, attachments, etc.
unlike email
Yeah, that’s unfortunately a thing, too. It’s the one size fits all solution to data protection and security. Made by people who like to make their own life easier, no matter the cost to everyone else. The GDPR does not allow us to store personal data indefinitely without reason, so let’s automatically delete every email without exception, no matter if it is still for an ongoing project or not.
Honestly, I think that anyone who is this angry about Microsoft products needs to spend some time working with the types of industrial software that makes the manufacturing world go round. Just to get some perspective on what truly God awful software actually looks like.
don’t forget all the crapware foisted off on small businesses – point-of-sale systems designed for Windows XP and the company’s gone belly-up but you can’t switch because all of your data is locked in – manufacturing hardware with proprietary EISA cards and drivers for Windows 98 and there’s not enough installs to justify reverse engineering …
It could always be worse. You could be using SAP.
I am so glad my new job had sense to say no. Their cost benefit analysis pretty much said the amount of pain, man hours, and bullshit it would cost to run far outweighed the higher price of the alternative product they went with.
If software gets worse than teams, I’d find a new industry
I think what he is saying is that you’d be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
Probably the worst I’ve seen was an ERP written in COBOL in 2014.
Why are ERP systems always shit for everyone involved? I’ve yet to see one that didn’t warrant a full time position just to clean it up and fix it when it inevitably breaks. Epicor was the worst offender I have seen.
My brother in Christ, IRC is a better tool.
Microsoft is failing to meet minimum standards of usability that has existed since the 80s
With the exception of the great split. And the freenode fiasco. IRC have been consistently fantastic for me since i logged on in ~93
You mean usability like nick collision, channel takeovers, absence of services, no support for media or files, disagreements in the community that lead to multiple separated IRC networks, fully visible client IPs, the joke the ident protocol was?
I understand not liking teams, or webex, or zoom. But IRC in the 80s is hardly an shining beacon of usability or standards.
There are modern IRC clients like TheLounge and Convos that support media and video. And push messages. You can also have your own internal server not exposed to the internet, this eliminating the problems of takeover, splits and whatnot…
Also the protocol has evolved and there’s been integrated options in the servers to hide IPs for at the least a decade.
You may remember those issues and problems when you abandoned it, but it contniues to evolve and endure. I have a private server for my friends and it’s been the most stable and direct way to chat and share images for years.
Edit: I have not tested the video stuff in Convos. I use TheLounge and it’s perfectly capable of taking an mp4 to upload on the server and display it in the chat. I share images daily by uploading them from my IRC client and they are displayed in the chat… it’s not just text anymore!
I have no doubt there are improved clients. But that is the problem. IRC is not standardized at all. Different clients give different results. Also, we are talking about IRC in the 80s, not today.
That’s very far away from good usability.
Original IRC also used 8bit text, so no unicode. Note I did not say ASCII, because IRC did not even defined encodings. Do you remember the pain of different Code pages on computers?
IRC as a protocol was basically a dumpster fire that somehow worked.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved IRC (using irssi on bash mostly). But I wouldn’t praise it for usability. At all. And I would never pretend IRC set standards for usability in the 80s.
I’m talking software/firmware in general, not just chat clients/protocols. As I said, you seem to need some perspective.
Lol, this is such an absurd line of reasoning.
“This problem was solved in the 80s and then Microsoft bullied an inferior product into business space, and it impacts my work every single day”
And your response is “eat shit, some people have it worse?”
This isn’t the fucking pain Olympics and you don’t get a fucking medal for working on a worse stack.
This is a wildly toxic mindset and I promise your entire life will start to get better once you ditch it.
Edit:
Also, you seem to be missing a crucial element here. It’s not that, like in your situation, things were bad and are still equally bad.
This is the situation where things were good, and then made worse. Completely different trendline.
Wait, so me saying that Teams is not that bad relatively speaking is a toxic mindset? You do see the irony of flying handle at me to say that, right?
Wait, so me saying that Teams is not that bad relatively speaking is a toxic mindset? You do see the irony of flying handle at me to say that, right?
“working with teams isn’t as bad as working with some software in a completely different domain”
Apples and oranges, reeks of “You can’t be cold because I live in Canada” energy, but ok, whatever.
“You need perspective”
Extremely condescending. Enforces the notion that nobody can dream of better things as long as other people (you specifically) see themselves are enduring something worse.
Seriously. It’s not even the worst videoconferencing/chat tool, let alone all the other industries that thrive on barely usable software. Healthcare software, for example.
Yummy visual basic apps that have been dragged into the modern era kicking and screaming
I’ve used fully functional chat applications, and I’ve used Microsoft Teams.
Teams is so bad it seems intentional
Everything is relative. Teams is a shining beacon of competency when compared to a lot of the utter shit software and firmware that I end up having to deal with.
Sure, but I work much more than I’d like with teams, and it’s pain in my ass.
My browser said it wasn’t installed when I tried to join a meeting. It was. 10/10
My organization has all of our shared folders INSIDE of the Teams file structure. Supposedly, One Drive should sync with the files inside of Teams, but this never happens. Instead we have people constantly asking for files that are in the shared folders, but because they aren’t manually syncing every time they open the folder, they aren’t seeing shit. Its so goddamm frustrating, but my boss is insistent on keeping everything inside the one app for “convenience”.
THERE’S NOTHING CONVENIENT ABOUT TEAMS AHHHH
I love how when you share a file in a teams chat, it’s inaccessible to people who join the chat after you upload the file.
Patented Microsoft Convenience™ at work!
zoom is the best one except for the weirdly horrible chat feature
And the software you need to install
There are many valid complaints about Teams in this thread. The most unforgivable for me is the purple theme. Purple isn’t even a wavelength. It shouldn’t exist, nor should Teams, and I shouldn’t be forced to stare at both of them throughout my work day.
I love purple, but I constantly click on Discord instead of Teams throughout the day. Too many icons with the same or similar color scheme.
