It’s almost like people throw a fit over everything new for little reason other than not what they’re used to. TNG was whined about. Ds9. Voyager. Discovery is in good company. Still Trek, no matter what anyone whines otherwise
Ok so literally not what you’re after, because I do like LD.
However, sometimes it feels a bit too Rick and Mortyish for my taste. Mariner could shout “Wubalubadubdub haha, amarite guys??” and it would seem completely in character both with her and the show.
I guess it makes a lot of sense considering they poached some talent from the R&M team, and LD was greenlit after executives saw how popular R&M was (the same is true for multiple other sci-fi comedy cartoons).
I still like it, but I can’t sit and watch like 4 episodes in one sitting like I could with DS9 or SNW.
I’ve never watched Rick And Morty, but I find the constant reference humour to be very grating. I’ve come to appreciate the characters but also can’t get excited about it like most of the other series. I’d definitely rate it in the bottom half of Trek shows.
Yes. There are people on this community who frequently complain about the show. One dude was outright banned because he refused to accept LD as canon or any animated show as canon while being hyper dismissive and aggressive about that stance.
They’re out there and they’re not that unicorn-esque. They just generally don’t say anything because they don’t want to go against the grain. Same reason why the people who loathe Discovery are multiple factors louder than the fans. Anytime I said I liked Discovery on reddit I got jumped by every Trekkie who claimed that I clearly wasn’t a real fan.
Hello, I am the unicorn. I don’t resent LD per se, but I hate “adult cartoons” aka crude pseudo intellectual, cynical humor. I understand other people like it, but for me it is just not real trek, both tonally and the cartoon medium itself (TAS can get fucked as well).
I couldn’t make it through the first episode because it’s direly inane. Like, it’s aggressively vapid and everything I hear about it reinforces that opinion. I mostly just avoid that stuff so instead of being there making a show of how much I hate that show, I’m just… not? I think that’s maybe why you think we’re unicorns: could be you just don’t see us because we don’t hang out around the thing you expect to see us disliking. Kinda makes sense from another perspective, I think.
That or the rest all got banned or bullied out or something for having unapproved feelings regarding series deemed important. Idunno. Kinda tired of it being a religious issue.
I really dislike lower decks. I find it annoying and lacking in ideas. I feel exactly the same about Final Space the previous show by the creator.
That said I don’t think it’s bad or not very “Star Trek”. It just completely grates on me.
To contrast I really like TOS, TNG, and DS9. I thought VGR and ENT felt “Star Trek” but badly written. DSC and PIC are badly written and don’t feel “Star Trek” to me. I’ve herd the final PIC season is pretty good so I’ll give it a shot at some point.
Yes, it’s the least Star Trek I’ve seen so far. I couldn’t make it past maybe the 2nd or 3rd episode. Much preferred Final Space if we’re going for that kind of show.
TNG is much different from TOS and some people don’t like that style.
I can honestly say that I find Discovery extremely frantic, boring and way too contemporary, but that’s just my expectation towards Trek. Others have different tastes.
Then that makes the complaints even more pointless. If the format and style of the series changes continuously then what basis do people have for whining that it “doesn’t feel like Star Trek”?
I feel that frequently a lot of complaints about the show are directed towards the entire series as a whole. That Discovery doesn’t fit for whatever reason. Yet these people are the ones who are wrapping up so much variety throughout the shows to one ‘feeling’ and when it doesn’t fit they check out.
Yeah, if you don’t like that style that’s perfectly fine. Personally I don’t like the style of DS9. But I’m not out here saying that because it’s different than what I am used to and what I like that it “isn’t Star Trek” or “doesn’t feel like Star Trek.”
I’ve said this before but Star Trek shows off diversity through as many aliens and characters as they can. Why are people so angry when the shows themselves do the same thing?
I’d argue that there are different categories of Trek-feel. TOS is different from TNG and DS9, and the “new Treks” are different from those TNG/DS9.
The new Treks are all much more modern and contemporary. The production styles are completely different, the underlying topics are much closer to reality. It is a completely different category of show, that just happens to take place in the same universe.
Whether that’s a good thing or not, is up to debate. But arguing that “this is not my Trek anymore” is invalid, is just wrong.
The new Treks are all much more modern and contemporary
As opposed to TNG, DS9 and Voyager using more modern and contemporary filming techniques than TOS? Enterprise going even further?
The underlying topics are much closer to reality
I… what? This is clearly from you looking back, not from you experiencing it at the time. EVERY TREK DID THIS. TOS had an episode aggressively about racism and segregation, not to mention the Uhura kiss in a time of extreme racism against anyone black and the civil rights movement. TNG had an episode about deafness being a part of his race but not a disability, a couple of years after Children of a Lesser God was released. They also had multiple episodes about genetic alteration, something that was just rising to prominence in reality with GMOs, engineered drugs and the first time animals had their genes changed. I mean even Barclays holoaddiction was a BLATANT comparison to the rise of video games at the time and worries about becoming addicted to it. The complaint that its “much closer to reality” is completely void.
It is a completely different category of show
The exact same complaint was made against TNG and DS9 but now both are under the same category. The category is Star Trek. Not Star Trek that feels a certain way. If it is Star Trek then it, by default, is in the same category.
I’ll agree on the bit that different Treks feel different but I outright reject the notion that due to a different feel it doesn’t get to be classed as Star Trek. Once again. Star Trek gets to have diversity in the numbers through characters, races and species. Why are the shows not allowed the same?
Yes! I didn’t know what was wrong with it but that’s it. It’s like a movie trailer where they put everything in to get viewers to watch the movie but it’s 50 minutes long.
Up until Lower Decks, no Star Trek show had a good first season. Most of them had a rocky second as well. Also why I balk everytime someone says “Yeah I watched the first couple episodes of the first season and gave up.” But you sat through the first season of TNG and the first 3 of Voyager with no issue?! Seasons that are twice as long?!
I think you’re forgetting TOS! Hit the ground running with two very solid seasons, then fell off a bit for the third. Kind of reverses the usual pattern.
When The Last Jedi came out I went to see it with some friends who were big Star Wars fans. I thought it was fun, they hated all of it. I said to them “I guess I am not big enough of a Star Wars fan to hate Star Wars that much.” The same is true for almost everything.
I’ve been a Star Wars fan for almost three decades and I think almost all Disney Star Wars is “fine” at worst. Even most of the things I didn’t like had some sort of redeeming qualities, or I could recognize that I wasn’t the target audience. The only thing I truly hated was Rise of the Skywalker, which is quite possibly my least favourite Star Wars thing ever.
I realize this puts me in the very small minority among Star Wars fans, and it’s the reason I tend to avoid fan discussions these days - the relentless negativity is exhausting and leaves little room for discussing the things about Disney Star Wars I find good and/or interesting.
I’m with you buddy. On pretty much everything. There are things in Rise of Skywalker I like (Rey’s new lightsaber is bitching but I also actually do like her taking the name Skywalker) but most of it feels like it was written by 14 people at the same time. But the sequels in general I do like quite a bit. BB8 is adorable, Rey is awesome, Finn is hot as balls, Poe can equally get it and I loved seeing Carrie Fisher back in the saddle
I am a big Star Wars fan and TLJ is the only one of the three I think is actually good. Though, admittedly, TFA is fun if you shut your brain off and don’t think about it.
Yup. Proudly love the Sequels too. There are some flaws in them, don’t get me wrong, but it’s new Star Wars that expanded on what we got. Personally I found that a thousand times more interesting than the endless void of fanfiction being peddled as ‘believe in whatever you prefer!’
Lower Decks and SNW is generally well liked even though it’s new and not what people are used to (LD is a wacky cartoon comedy).
Both TNG and DS9 were bad shows in the beginning (DS9 could be described as ok-ish, but it ran concurrently to TNG in its prime, so looked worse in comparison). Fans didn’t dislike them because they were new and then got use to them, they disliked them because they started out bad and then liked them because they got better. VOY and Enterprise are generally considered bad to highly flawed (ENT 3rd season being the exception because, again, it was good).
There are PLENTY of reasons not to like Discovery. You enjoyed it? Great, have fun. No need to dismiss people not liking it because it’s new or whatever.
It’s almost like people throw a fit over everything new for little reason other than not what they’re used to. TNG was whined about. Ds9. Voyager. Discovery is in good company. Still Trek, no matter what anyone whines otherwise
Ds9: where’s the exploring? They’re on a space station!
Voyager: where are all the aliens we know about?
Enterprise: it’s been a long road.
With time, they all got their space. (This is me agreeing)
All Trek is equal.
With the exception of Code of Honor and that racist ass shit they wrote for Chakotay
Is there anyone who dislikes Lower Decks? I’d say LD is more equal than the others.
Ok so literally not what you’re after, because I do like LD.
However, sometimes it feels a bit too Rick and Mortyish for my taste. Mariner could shout “Wubalubadubdub haha, amarite guys??” and it would seem completely in character both with her and the show.
I guess it makes a lot of sense considering they poached some talent from the R&M team, and LD was greenlit after executives saw how popular R&M was (the same is true for multiple other sci-fi comedy cartoons).
I still like it, but I can’t sit and watch like 4 episodes in one sitting like I could with DS9 or SNW.
I’ve never watched Rick And Morty, but I find the constant reference humour to be very grating. I’ve come to appreciate the characters but also can’t get excited about it like most of the other series. I’d definitely rate it in the bottom half of Trek shows.
Yes. There are people on this community who frequently complain about the show. One dude was outright banned because he refused to accept LD as canon or any animated show as canon while being hyper dismissive and aggressive about that stance.
They’re out there and they’re not that unicorn-esque. They just generally don’t say anything because they don’t want to go against the grain. Same reason why the people who loathe Discovery are multiple factors louder than the fans. Anytime I said I liked Discovery on reddit I got jumped by every Trekkie who claimed that I clearly wasn’t a real fan.
Hello, I am the unicorn. I don’t resent LD per se, but I hate “adult cartoons” aka crude pseudo intellectual, cynical humor. I understand other people like it, but for me it is just not real trek, both tonally and the cartoon medium itself (TAS can get fucked as well).
Amazing. Thanks for stepping forward.
I couldn’t make it through the first episode because it’s direly inane. Like, it’s aggressively vapid and everything I hear about it reinforces that opinion. I mostly just avoid that stuff so instead of being there making a show of how much I hate that show, I’m just… not? I think that’s maybe why you think we’re unicorns: could be you just don’t see us because we don’t hang out around the thing you expect to see us disliking. Kinda makes sense from another perspective, I think.
That or the rest all got banned or bullied out or something for having unapproved feelings regarding series deemed important. Idunno. Kinda tired of it being a religious issue.
I really dislike lower decks. I find it annoying and lacking in ideas. I feel exactly the same about Final Space the previous show by the creator.
That said I don’t think it’s bad or not very “Star Trek”. It just completely grates on me.
To contrast I really like TOS, TNG, and DS9. I thought VGR and ENT felt “Star Trek” but badly written. DSC and PIC are badly written and don’t feel “Star Trek” to me. I’ve herd the final PIC season is pretty good so I’ll give it a shot at some point.
I liked final space s1 but I had to give up half way through s2
Just read your comment after saying I’d rather watch Final Space, lol.
Yes, it’s the least Star Trek I’ve seen so far. I couldn’t make it past maybe the 2nd or 3rd episode. Much preferred Final Space if we’re going for that kind of show.
Yo them’s fighting words Stamets. Obviously Year of Hell is above all the rest.
Personally I’d put the SNW musical top tier but YoH is a very close second
Great now I have to go watch every episode to rank them properly.
/sigh
Rewatching ds9, the visitor was well done. (It’s a tearjerker)
Voyager is the only series, Kate Mulgrew & Robert Picardo will save us all.
Save us indeed. From Robert Beltran…
Maybe it’s simply that the format changes a lot.
TNG is much different from TOS and some people don’t like that style.
I can honestly say that I find Discovery extremely frantic, boring and way too contemporary, but that’s just my expectation towards Trek. Others have different tastes.
Then that makes the complaints even more pointless. If the format and style of the series changes continuously then what basis do people have for whining that it “doesn’t feel like Star Trek”?
I feel that frequently a lot of complaints about the show are directed towards the entire series as a whole. That Discovery doesn’t fit for whatever reason. Yet these people are the ones who are wrapping up so much variety throughout the shows to one ‘feeling’ and when it doesn’t fit they check out.
Yeah, if you don’t like that style that’s perfectly fine. Personally I don’t like the style of DS9. But I’m not out here saying that because it’s different than what I am used to and what I like that it “isn’t Star Trek” or “doesn’t feel like Star Trek.”
I’ve said this before but Star Trek shows off diversity through as many aliens and characters as they can. Why are people so angry when the shows themselves do the same thing?
I’d argue that there are different categories of Trek-feel. TOS is different from TNG and DS9, and the “new Treks” are different from those TNG/DS9.
The new Treks are all much more modern and contemporary. The production styles are completely different, the underlying topics are much closer to reality. It is a completely different category of show, that just happens to take place in the same universe.
Whether that’s a good thing or not, is up to debate. But arguing that “this is not my Trek anymore” is invalid, is just wrong.
As opposed to TNG, DS9 and Voyager using more modern and contemporary filming techniques than TOS? Enterprise going even further?
I… what? This is clearly from you looking back, not from you experiencing it at the time. EVERY TREK DID THIS. TOS had an episode aggressively about racism and segregation, not to mention the Uhura kiss in a time of extreme racism against anyone black and the civil rights movement. TNG had an episode about deafness being a part of his race but not a disability, a couple of years after Children of a Lesser God was released. They also had multiple episodes about genetic alteration, something that was just rising to prominence in reality with GMOs, engineered drugs and the first time animals had their genes changed. I mean even Barclays holoaddiction was a BLATANT comparison to the rise of video games at the time and worries about becoming addicted to it. The complaint that its “much closer to reality” is completely void.
The exact same complaint was made against TNG and DS9 but now both are under the same category. The category is Star Trek. Not Star Trek that feels a certain way. If it is Star Trek then it, by default, is in the same category.
I’ll agree on the bit that different Treks feel different but I outright reject the notion that due to a different feel it doesn’t get to be classed as Star Trek. Once again. Star Trek gets to have diversity in the numbers through characters, races and species. Why are the shows not allowed the same?
Yes! I didn’t know what was wrong with it but that’s it. It’s like a movie trailer where they put everything in to get viewers to watch the movie but it’s 50 minutes long.
I’m just happy to have new Trek shows after like 15 years lol and now there’s SO many
Plus, DIS really got into the groove after the first 2 seasons, which is a common problem IMO for many Trek series from TNG to ENT
Up until Lower Decks, no Star Trek show had a good first season. Most of them had a rocky second as well. Also why I balk everytime someone says “Yeah I watched the first couple episodes of the first season and gave up.” But you sat through the first season of TNG and the first 3 of Voyager with no issue?! Seasons that are twice as long?!
I think you’re forgetting TOS! Hit the ground running with two very solid seasons, then fell off a bit for the third. Kind of reverses the usual pattern.
When The Last Jedi came out I went to see it with some friends who were big Star Wars fans. I thought it was fun, they hated all of it. I said to them “I guess I am not big enough of a Star Wars fan to hate Star Wars that much.” The same is true for almost everything.
I’ve been a Star Wars fan for almost three decades and I think almost all Disney Star Wars is “fine” at worst. Even most of the things I didn’t like had some sort of redeeming qualities, or I could recognize that I wasn’t the target audience. The only thing I truly hated was Rise of the Skywalker, which is quite possibly my least favourite Star Wars thing ever.
I realize this puts me in the very small minority among Star Wars fans, and it’s the reason I tend to avoid fan discussions these days - the relentless negativity is exhausting and leaves little room for discussing the things about Disney Star Wars I find good and/or interesting.
I’m with you buddy. On pretty much everything. There are things in Rise of Skywalker I like (Rey’s new lightsaber is bitching but I also actually do like her taking the name Skywalker) but most of it feels like it was written by 14 people at the same time. But the sequels in general I do like quite a bit. BB8 is adorable, Rey is awesome, Finn is hot as balls, Poe can equally get it and I loved seeing Carrie Fisher back in the saddle
I am a big Star Wars fan and TLJ is the only one of the three I think is actually good. Though, admittedly, TFA is fun if you shut your brain off and don’t think about it.
Yup. Proudly love the Sequels too. There are some flaws in them, don’t get me wrong, but it’s new Star Wars that expanded on what we got. Personally I found that a thousand times more interesting than the endless void of fanfiction being peddled as ‘believe in whatever you prefer!’
Maybe you just have bad taste.
Nah.
Lower Decks and SNW is generally well liked even though it’s new and not what people are used to (LD is a wacky cartoon comedy).
Both TNG and DS9 were bad shows in the beginning (DS9 could be described as ok-ish, but it ran concurrently to TNG in its prime, so looked worse in comparison). Fans didn’t dislike them because they were new and then got use to them, they disliked them because they started out bad and then liked them because they got better. VOY and Enterprise are generally considered bad to highly flawed (ENT 3rd season being the exception because, again, it was good).
There are PLENTY of reasons not to like Discovery. You enjoyed it? Great, have fun. No need to dismiss people not liking it because it’s new or whatever.