Yeah I will never at all understand this weird superiority complex in the way in which people boil fucking water of all things. The result is the same.
The reason why a kettle is nice is because it boils a large quantity of water quickly. If you only want a single cup, then a microwave is a great option if you don’t have or want a kettle.
In our defence (spelt correctly) all of the above are acceptable, except the microwave. Reasons being that a) the microwave doesn’t boil it evenly, and you get pockets of mega heated water that bubble up and splash up in the microwave, then drip off the manky ceiling of the microwave and into your cup. B) microwaves stink. I don’t know anyone that uses one for anything other than popcorn or melting butter. But if you’re using it to cook as well… 🤢
Or just like gently stir the water when it comes out of the microwave. You’d really have to overcook the fuck out of the water to create a risk of superheated water explosions. Tea should be slightly below boiling anyway.
Convection currents don’t stir water in a microwave because the heat source isn’t on the bottom. That’s the difference. You get temperature stratified water where the surface is hotter than the bottom of the cup and they don’t naturally mix.
Of course, here in America, we have this incredible technology called a spoon. Pull that bad boy out, give a little stir, problem solved.
Convection currents don’t need the heat source to be directly at the bottom to stir the liquid.
Microwaves don’t really heat top to bottom either, it’s shooting waves through the body of the water and even the cup, directly exciting a bunch of individual H2O atoms in hot spots where the microwave peak at, heating the liquid very unevenly. The wave could very much be heating a fraction of the top, middle, and bottom at different points in 3d space. it just depends on the peak of the microwave.
I’m well aware of temperature stratification. It doesn’t happen in a microwave.
Micro waves don’t heat purely the top surface, they penetrate the entire waters body creating super-heated localized hotpots that shift the water around from Convection currents because the hotter more excited water atoms are less dense than the colder less excited water atoms above them.
Temperature stratification only comes into play if there’s no nucleation point, in which you get this.
Also, your link is dead.
I’m well aware of temperature stratification. It doesn’t happen in a microwave.
It empirically does. We can argue about the theory all day but the research says microwaves produce stratified temperature gradients when heating liquids. However, I’d point out that, in atmosphere, when we have localized hot spots the warm air can effectively travel in bubbles without significant mixing for quite some distance. There seems to be a similar phenomena at work when microwaving liquids.
See the screenshot below.
I pulled this from “Multiphysics analysis for unusual heat convection in microwave heating liquid” published in 2020 in AIP Advances.
Relevant excerpts:
“ Usually, the fluidity of liquids is considered to make the temperature field uniform, when it is heated, because of the heat convection, but there is something different when microwave heating. The temperature of the top is always the highest in the liquid when heated by microwaves.”
“ The experimental results show that when the modified glass cup with 7 cm metal coating is used to heat water in a microwave oven, the temperature difference between the upper and lower parts of the water is reduced from 7.8 °C to 0.5 °C.”
“According to the feedback from Midea (microwave appliance makers), when users use the microwave oven to heat liquids such as milk or water, the temperature at the top of the liquid will be significantly higher than the temperature at the bottom.”
That’s not really showing temperature stratification which is a more extreme separation of temperature from surface heating :
That’s just showing that the hottest atoms gather to the top, which btw, proves Convection currents.
Again, microwaves don’t heat purely the surface :
(a) Schematic diagram of convection in the bottom heated liquid and unusual convection in the microwave heated liquid and (b) schematic diagram of convection in liquids heated by microwaves with the modified glass.
The modified glass is just diverting the hotpots to the bottom to make the convection less “unusual”.
They aren’t claiming that convection doesn’t accrue, only that it’s “unusual convection” resulting in less even heating like that of thermal stratification, not literal thermal stratification where the layers have separate convection currents that prevent mixing all together.
You gotta clean the microwave regularly like anything else. There are reasons why I would probably use my stove top over my microwave to boil water (though I do use a microwave to make tea when I just want a single serving), but your points about water splashing up everywhere and dripping down off of disgusting interior surfaces of the microwave sound a lot like operator error.
If you’re microwaving water for more than 2-4 minutes you’re doing something very very wrong.
1m 30s to 2mins is already enough for 1 coffee cup worth of water to reach boiling temp in the majority of microwaves.
I’m just imagining @[email protected] microwaving a cup of water for way too long to absolutely volcanic results and then throwing up his hands in disgust before walking away from the swampy microwave without bothering to clean the mess up like a scene out of some infomercial for a device that solves microwave issues that don’t exist lol
Yeeeeah, that’s not how microwaved water works. If there IS any temperature differential, the movement of the water quickly evens it out. By the time you’re dropping your tea in, it’s even.
As far as microwaves being stinky, that’s a you thing, bud. My microwave smells fine.
I mean we can pick at things. Americans put marshmallows in their potatoes and eat cereal that are the same shade as crayons. Asians put cheese slices in their instant noodles. Italians eat Prosciutto and Melon, The French eat Escargot and Frog. At least most of these are consider guilty pleasures rather than cuisine.
Haha I was just in England/UK/Britain and the food was whack, in England especially. The reason England is famous for its fish and chips is because it’s the only thing that is good.
Curry is bomb though, but idk (honestly) if that counts. Colonizing India is the best thing that ever happened to England, sadly you cannot say the same going the other direction lol
You ever watch Bri’ish “people” eat Mexican food?
“Oh my lord it’s too spicy 🥵🔥, wha’ is all this flavor? 🤮 it’s to strong🤢. chili pepper??😵💫 never heard of it😵. I don’’ like this mild chili cheese burrito, send i’ back 😫.”
You’re speaking to a person who will literally eat raw Carolina reaper peppers as a snack. 😋
I’ve been eating hot Mexican salsa since I’ve been 3 months old (older sis gave it to me and I loved it) and dranking hot sauce out of the bottle pretty much my entire childhood. I will literally go far beyond my crying point and still keep going because it just tastes that good. Even when my tongue has become numb from pain, I still keep getting at it.
Meanwhile, You bri’ish fucks are why “Mayo spicy” is a stereotype.
Vindaloo is 175,000 to 500,000 scoville.
That’s on my not hot list.
Try 1.2 million scoville phaal curry, it’s one of my favorite warm up foods, now that shit is GOOD. 😋😍
Eh, there are different kinds of “spicy”. Depending on how dead your receptors are after eating that “spicy” food before.
So if you don’t notice some kind of spices anymore, and are going to try the same amount of something you’ve not tried before, it may be painful until your receptors are dead to that too.
Personally I think it’s simply bad taste and bad cuisine to put large amounts of spices and salt into food. You should feel the actual flavor of what you are eating behind spices and herbs and salt and sugar and what not.
Microwave : boils water
Stovetop : boils water
Open flame : boils water \
British people : *pretending they have any sense of taste* "microwave water taste different.
Is this some kind of beans on toast thing I’m too colonies to understand?
Yeah I will never at all understand this weird superiority complex in the way in which people boil fucking water of all things. The result is the same.
The reason why a kettle is nice is because it boils a large quantity of water quickly. If you only want a single cup, then a microwave is a great option if you don’t have or want a kettle.
You’ve missed the way that British people actually boil water though, thus missing the true reason that we’re superior.
We get it, you boil water with your anus.
By the grace of God and our monarch we boil water however the fuck we please 🇬🇧💂🇬🇧💂🇬🇧
Ah, so with the Queen’s anus, got it.
King’s anus, at least keep the insults relevant and up to date please.
They still have a Queen. It’s just not Queen Elizabeth II, it’s Camilla.
You mean the King’s Consort? You really are a pleb.
Difference = Virtually 0, only generic.
They still hold 0 power either way.
King, Queen, or King/Queen’s consort their still just figureheads no different than a celebrity.
Also, she’s going to be a Queen Dowager very soon. 😏
In our defence (spelt correctly) all of the above are acceptable, except the microwave. Reasons being that a) the microwave doesn’t boil it evenly, and you get pockets of mega heated water that bubble up and splash up in the microwave, then drip off the manky ceiling of the microwave and into your cup. B) microwaves stink. I don’t know anyone that uses one for anything other than popcorn or melting butter. But if you’re using it to cook as well… 🤢
Really the only danger in using a microwave to boil water is superheating if there are no nucleation sites in the mug.
Which is why it’s important to put the teabag in the water before microwaving it.
Or just like gently stir the water when it comes out of the microwave. You’d really have to overcook the fuck out of the water to create a risk of superheated water explosions. Tea should be slightly below boiling anyway.
I know you are trying to bait me and I’m not going to fall for it
I thought tap water had enough particulate in it by itself?
Usually it does, but then again there are places where people don’t drink the tap water.
Just go the whole hog: put the teabag in the bottle of water and microwave that.
Convection currents don’t stir water in a microwave because the heat source isn’t on the bottom. That’s the difference. You get temperature stratified water where the surface is hotter than the bottom of the cup and they don’t naturally mix.
Of course, here in America, we have this incredible technology called a spoon. Pull that bad boy out, give a little stir, problem solved.
Convection currents don’t need the heat source to be directly at the bottom to stir the liquid.
Microwaves don’t really heat top to bottom either, it’s shooting waves through the body of the water and even the cup, directly exciting a bunch of individual H2O atoms in hot spots where the microwave peak at, heating the liquid very unevenly. The wave could very much be heating a fraction of the top, middle, and bottom at different points in 3d space. it just depends on the peak of the microwave.
I mean, it’s not really a matter of debate TBH. There are a number of peer reviewed journal articles documenting the temperature stratification. Here is one source, where the authors attempt to create a special cup to heat the water more evenly.
I’m well aware of temperature stratification. It doesn’t happen in a microwave.
Micro waves don’t heat purely the top surface, they penetrate the entire waters body creating super-heated localized hotpots that shift the water around from Convection currents because the hotter more excited water atoms are less dense than the colder less excited water atoms above them.
Temperature stratification only comes into play if there’s no nucleation point, in which you get this.
Also, your link is dead.
It empirically does. We can argue about the theory all day but the research says microwaves produce stratified temperature gradients when heating liquids. However, I’d point out that, in atmosphere, when we have localized hot spots the warm air can effectively travel in bubbles without significant mixing for quite some distance. There seems to be a similar phenomena at work when microwaving liquids.
See the screenshot below.
I pulled this from “Multiphysics analysis for unusual heat convection in microwave heating liquid” published in 2020 in AIP Advances.
Relevant excerpts:
“ Usually, the fluidity of liquids is considered to make the temperature field uniform, when it is heated, because of the heat convection, but there is something different when microwave heating. The temperature of the top is always the highest in the liquid when heated by microwaves.”
“ The experimental results show that when the modified glass cup with 7 cm metal coating is used to heat water in a microwave oven, the temperature difference between the upper and lower parts of the water is reduced from 7.8 °C to 0.5 °C.”
“According to the feedback from Midea (microwave appliance makers), when users use the microwave oven to heat liquids such as milk or water, the temperature at the top of the liquid will be significantly higher than the temperature at the bottom.”
That’s not really showing temperature stratification which is a more extreme separation of temperature from surface heating :
That’s just showing that the hottest atoms gather to the top, which btw, proves Convection currents.
Again, microwaves don’t heat purely the surface :
The modified glass is just diverting the hotpots to the bottom to make the convection less “unusual”.
They aren’t claiming that convection doesn’t accrue, only that it’s “unusual convection” resulting in less even heating like that of thermal stratification, not literal thermal stratification where the layers have separate convection currents that prevent mixing all together.
You gotta clean the microwave regularly like anything else. There are reasons why I would probably use my stove top over my microwave to boil water (though I do use a microwave to make tea when I just want a single serving), but your points about water splashing up everywhere and dripping down off of disgusting interior surfaces of the microwave sound a lot like operator error.
If you’re microwaving water for more than 2-4 minutes you’re doing something very very wrong.
1m 30s to 2mins is already enough for 1 coffee cup worth of water to reach boiling temp in the majority of microwaves.
I’m just imagining @[email protected] microwaving a cup of water for way too long to absolutely volcanic results and then throwing up his hands in disgust before walking away from the swampy microwave without bothering to clean the mess up like a scene out of some infomercial for a device that solves microwave issues that don’t exist lol
Like I ever microwaved a cup of water 😂 I’m not a fucking barbarian lmao
Yeeeeah, that’s not how microwaved water works. If there IS any temperature differential, the movement of the water quickly evens it out. By the time you’re dropping your tea in, it’s even.
As far as microwaves being stinky, that’s a you thing, bud. My microwave smells fine.
Brits will scoff at microwaved water then straight up eat mushy peas at dinner.
I mean we can pick at things. Americans put marshmallows in their potatoes and eat cereal that are the same shade as crayons. Asians put cheese slices in their instant noodles. Italians eat Prosciutto and Melon, The French eat Escargot and Frog. At least most of these are consider guilty pleasures rather than cuisine.
Americans always shit on British food then come over and remark at how great it is.
Americans try to substitute good food with size, sugar and oil.
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I’m pretty sure Americans have a panic attack when what they’re eating isn’t at least 50% high fructose corn syrup.
Haha I was just in England/UK/Britain and the food was whack, in England especially. The reason England is famous for its fish and chips is because it’s the only thing that is good.
Curry is bomb though, but idk (honestly) if that counts. Colonizing India is the best thing that ever happened to England, sadly you cannot say the same going the other direction lol
Haggis fucking rules though!
Isn’t haggis from Scotland or some shit?
It is.
Yeah, but it’s in the UK. Only mentioned because the rest of the food in the UK was pretty bland.
proceeds to tell everyone how bad the food is in the uk
2 seconds later: proceeds to tell everyone how much they like food from the uk
You ever watch Bri’ish “people” eat Mexican food?
“Oh my lord it’s too spicy 🥵🔥, wha’ is all this flavor? 🤮 it’s to strong🤢. chili pepper??😵💫 never heard of it😵. I don’’ like this mild chili cheese burrito, send i’ back 😫.”
You speak like someone that has never met a British person never mind not having been to the UK.
The national dish of the UK is curry. There is curry everywhere.
I went to an Indian restaurant in America the women actually lived in the UK and we was chatting. I ordered a hot curry and it was fine.
But the Mexican woman behind me ordered a vindaloo which is a pretty standard dish in the UK. The Indian said “you had this before? Its very hot”
But “no but it’s fine I’m Mexican. I can handle my heat”
“I’m just warning you it’svery hot. You sure you want it? Maybe you want x, y, z instead if you ve never had it”
“I’m good with heat. My family always makes things spicy”
Anyway it came and she ate less than 10% of it before getting it boxed up.
You’re speaking to a person who will literally eat raw Carolina reaper peppers as a snack. 😋
I’ve been eating hot Mexican salsa since I’ve been 3 months old (older sis gave it to me and I loved it) and dranking hot sauce out of the bottle pretty much my entire childhood. I will literally go far beyond my crying point and still keep going because it just tastes that good. Even when my tongue has become numb from pain, I still keep getting at it.
Meanwhile, You bri’ish fucks are why “Mayo spicy” is a stereotype.
Keep going, we’ll make you a copypasta
comeback when you try phaal, weak shits.
Cool story bro.
Obviously don’t know about British people though.
Vindaloo is 175,000 to 500,000 scoville.
That’s on my not hot list.
Try 1.2 million scoville phaal curry, it’s one of my favorite warm up foods, now that shit is GOOD. 😋😍
I’m sorry you think I care. I don’t.
Eh, there are different kinds of “spicy”. Depending on how dead your receptors are after eating that “spicy” food before.
So if you don’t notice some kind of spices anymore, and are going to try the same amount of something you’ve not tried before, it may be painful until your receptors are dead to that too.
Personally I think it’s simply bad taste and bad cuisine to put large amounts of spices and salt into food. You should feel the actual flavor of what you are eating behind spices and herbs and salt and sugar and what not.
No
The objective part I’ve checked experimentally many times, so fsck right off.
The subjective part doesn’t require your approval. Think that moment in the “Green Book” movie about “salty” and people unable to cook.
Dont post opinions publicly if you can’t cope with people disagreeing. And maybe chill out