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This post got banned from [email protected] for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕

I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.

EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)

Important clarification/FAQ

I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!

I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)

Very good comments that express key points:

  • barsoap@lemm.ee
    10·
    6 months ago

    I now could start a big list starting with men being four times more likely to commit suicide than women. But I won’t, because I assume you’re aware of all those gendered inequalities affecting men just as I was aware of every single one of the bullet points you mentioned.

    Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.

    • Hillary Clinton, 1998
      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        5·
        6 months ago

        We weren’t talking about workplace discrimination, either. Or car seats. Or medicine. Or work hours. Those are real issues brought up in addition which I readily acknowledged and made no attempt at dismissing, nor did I spent more breath on a single male issue than any single one of the female issues got.

        We were talking about people’s experiences and pain getting silenced, and how none of it should get ignored. I suggest making that “if” into a “when” and lead by example.

        • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          6 months ago

          This entire post is a reaction to a post about how unsafe women feel. Suicide among men is a very serious issue that should not be used as a cudgel to shout down or otherwise diminish the seriousness of other causes. Talking about the challenges women face doesn’t diminish the seriousness of men committing suicide at higher rates. Stop it.

          By your logic, I should say “stop talking about men committing suicide when trans people commit suicide at a higher rate.“ Does that seem right to you? I sure hope not.

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
            3·
            6 months ago

            This entire post is a reaction to a post about how unsafe women feel.

            This entire post is about nuance in discussing that reaction. I quote from OP’s image:

            The disenfranchisement and antagonization of young men leading to alt-right extremism is a real problem that can be addressed by being thoughtful of what methods of rhetoric are employed.

            By your logic, I should say “stop talking about men committing suicide when trans people commit suicide at a higher rate.“ Does that seem right to you? I sure hope not.

            First off, I never said that any of the issues should not be talked about, I said that none should get ignored.

            Then, that’s actually an interesting intersection. Do you happen to have any data on whether the same disparity is present or not in trans folks, ideally distinguishing between pre- and post-transition?

            My off the cuff hypothesis would be low to no statistical significance pre-transition as transphobia and general psychological turmoil is an overwhelming factor, and a definitely significant but lower disparity post-transition on account of selection bias towards resiliency as well as good self-knowledge and self-actualisation being a protecting factor.