There's no other way to put it, having kids is extremely selfish.
It's pretty much the epitome of selfishness.
I want to clarify though, this isn't to say that calling only people who to have kids who happen to have disabilities "selfish." Every single parent is extremely selfish (excluding some outliers, obviously, don't "um actually" me).
You just experienced what the people in the antinatalism community experience all the time. They put out a reasoned opinion and get brigaded with "BUT KIDS ARE GOOD YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON REEEEEE"
I said parents are selfish for having kids. You can try to downplay it all you want, but you don't have a kid for this future magical mystical kid. You have a kid for your own wants and needs over everything else. Just because having kids is an accepted action in society doesn't make it not selfish. And since you think of "selfishness" as a bad thing, this makes your brain scramble and your cognitive dissonance go into overdrive causing you to come up with completely inept retorts like I'm "selfish" for simply existing and using resources that the Earth clearly has as I'm using them.
The resources are there for you to claim idiotic and insane things because someones children made them.
The only reason you exist is because someone decided that the future of humanity only exists if we make children. You alone cannot decide that a common goal of many is a selfish decision of a single being.
So if you were truly commited to your cause and you wanted your bloodline to die with you, then you could also [i do not condone selfharm, this is purely for argumentation].
So if you were truly commited to your cause and you wanted your bloodline to die with you, then you could also [i do not condone selfharm, this is purely for argumentation].
I don't have a cause. You're putting words into my mouth because you don't know how to argue in good faith.
You're literally telling me to kill myself because you're personally offended someone dare challenge your preconceived notions of the world. You're a truly fucked up individual. I pray you don't have or ever have any dependents. You're a danger to society.
Antinatalists constantly tell people to kill their offspring. I argue on the same level as antinatalists.
If the cause is to end the suffering that humankind causes then there is only one solution.
If my notions of the world are wrong, and humankind really is only a burden, then youre indirectly also calling for genocide.
You think that isn't fucked up?
Antinatalists constantly tell people to kill their offspring.
Some do, sure, but that's what what antinatalism is. This is like saying "vegans constantly tell meat eaters to kill themselves." Yes, some do, but the point of veganism isn't the death of meat eaters.
I argue on the same level as antinatalists.
No, you argue on your deranged level by justifying it with your antinatalist boogey man. You're like those YouTube conservatives who put up a picture of a blue haired teenager on screen and saying "this is who the liberals are."
If the cause is to end the suffering that humankind causes then there is only one solution.
This is like saying the way to end violence done in the name of religion is to kill off all religious people. There's more that goes into getting to an end solution than just immediately jumping to it. And it also seems like you think antinatalists entire existence is about making antinatalism, like there's nothing else besides this.
If my notions of the world are wrong, and humankind really is only a burden, then youre indirectly also calling for genocide.
You seem to not know what the word "natalism" means. It's about bring people into the world. It has nothing to do with people who are already living.
And killing off all living people isn't a genocide. It's "speciocide." Completely different things. Comparing antinatalists with people who commit genocides is unbelievably unhinged, but I should have seen it coming from someone like you.
You think that isn’t fucked up?
The only thing I think is fucked up in this discussion is people who only believe in antinatalism-lite for eugenic reasons and, of course, you.
I said a lot of dumb and mean things in this thread. Yes, it contradicts itself. I'm sure at the time of writing this i've already forgotten what i was arguing for and just wanted to be right.
I based my "knowledge" on antinatalism on the 2 i've talked to and they were of the "killing yourself is the only way to be moral" kind.
After all what the others in this thread have told me is right, i've just been a cunt and angry for some reason. Please discount all i've written in here as "dumb person having an ego problem".
There's no other way to put it, having kids is extremely selfish.
It's pretty much the epitome of selfishness.
I want to clarify though, this isn't to say that calling only people who to have kids who happen to have disabilities "selfish." Every single parent is extremely selfish (excluding some outliers, obviously, don't "um actually" me).
You just experienced what the people in the antinatalism community experience all the time. They put out a reasoned opinion and get brigaded with "BUT KIDS ARE GOOD YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON REEEEEE"
You are selfish. You use resources that earth doesnt have.
I said parents are selfish for having kids. You can try to downplay it all you want, but you don't have a kid for this future magical mystical kid. You have a kid for your own wants and needs over everything else. Just because having kids is an accepted action in society doesn't make it not selfish. And since you think of "selfishness" as a bad thing, this makes your brain scramble and your cognitive dissonance go into overdrive causing you to come up with completely inept retorts like I'm "selfish" for simply existing and using resources that the Earth clearly has as I'm using them.
The resources are there for you to claim idiotic and insane things because someones children made them.
The only reason you exist is because someone decided that the future of humanity only exists if we make children. You alone cannot decide that a common goal of many is a selfish decision of a single being.
So if you were truly commited to your cause and you wanted your bloodline to die with you, then you could also [i do not condone selfharm, this is purely for argumentation].
I don't have a cause. You're putting words into my mouth because you don't know how to argue in good faith.
You're literally telling me to kill myself because you're personally offended someone dare challenge your preconceived notions of the world. You're a truly fucked up individual. I pray you don't have or ever have any dependents. You're a danger to society.
Antinatalists constantly tell people to kill their offspring. I argue on the same level as antinatalists.
If the cause is to end the suffering that humankind causes then there is only one solution.
If my notions of the world are wrong, and humankind really is only a burden, then youre indirectly also calling for genocide.
You think that isn't fucked up?
Some do, sure, but that's what what antinatalism is. This is like saying "vegans constantly tell meat eaters to kill themselves." Yes, some do, but the point of veganism isn't the death of meat eaters.
No, you argue on your deranged level by justifying it with your antinatalist boogey man. You're like those YouTube conservatives who put up a picture of a blue haired teenager on screen and saying "this is who the liberals are."
This is like saying the way to end violence done in the name of religion is to kill off all religious people. There's more that goes into getting to an end solution than just immediately jumping to it. And it also seems like you think antinatalists entire existence is about making antinatalism, like there's nothing else besides this.
You seem to not know what the word "natalism" means. It's about bring people into the world. It has nothing to do with people who are already living.
And killing off all living people isn't a genocide. It's "speciocide." Completely different things. Comparing antinatalists with people who commit genocides is unbelievably unhinged, but I should have seen it coming from someone like you.
The only thing I think is fucked up in this discussion is people who only believe in antinatalism-lite for eugenic reasons and, of course, you.
I concede. My understanding of antinatalism was wrong. i apologize for being a fuckwit.
No they don't. I think you are fucked up - an angry troll - and this whole convo is now a waste of resources.
No, antinatalism does not call for genocide. Genocide would be a violation of human rights, not having children isn't violating anyone's human rights.
You are insane ha ha! What an idiot. My bloodline will die with me. Now what's with this 'kill yourself' talk?
LOL what a complete lack of self awareness. That was a self-own.
Wow, you seem fun. Hope you aren't using any resources!
Antinatalism can conserve resources by providing the resources to those who already exist rather then creating a new life.
How? The Resources you use to survive are made thanks to previous generations of kids.
You said in a previous comment
but now you are making a good point about how people can also make resources. Thats very contradictory.
I said a lot of dumb and mean things in this thread. Yes, it contradicts itself. I'm sure at the time of writing this i've already forgotten what i was arguing for and just wanted to be right.
I based my "knowledge" on antinatalism on the 2 i've talked to and they were of the "killing yourself is the only way to be moral" kind.
After all what the others in this thread have told me is right, i've just been a cunt and angry for some reason. Please discount all i've written in here as "dumb person having an ego problem".