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  • Antinatalists constantly tell people to kill their offspring.

    Some do, sure, but that's what what antinatalism is. This is like saying "vegans constantly tell meat eaters to kill themselves." Yes, some do, but the point of veganism isn't the death of meat eaters.

    I argue on the same level as antinatalists.

    No, you argue on your deranged level by justifying it with your antinatalist boogey man. You're like those YouTube conservatives who put up a picture of a blue haired teenager on screen and saying "this is who the liberals are."

    If the cause is to end the suffering that humankind causes then there is only one solution.

    This is like saying the way to end violence done in the name of religion is to kill off all religious people. There's more that goes into getting to an end solution than just immediately jumping to it. And it also seems like you think antinatalists entire existence is about making antinatalism, like there's nothing else besides this.

    If my notions of the world are wrong, and humankind really is only a burden, then youre indirectly also calling for genocide.

    You seem to not know what the word "natalism" means. It's about bring people into the world. It has nothing to do with people who are already living.

    And killing off all living people isn't a genocide. It's "speciocide." Completely different things. Comparing antinatalists with people who commit genocides is unbelievably unhinged, but I should have seen it coming from someone like you.

    You think that isn’t fucked up?

    The only thing I think is fucked up in this discussion is people who only believe in antinatalism-lite for eugenic reasons and, of course, you.




  • I think you might be glamorizing it a bit. Talking about politics was until "recently" considered very rude and taboo. There's been a big culture shift in talking about politics in the past maybe 15-20 years or so. I don't have any hard data and this is just my view, but I think a major turning point was when a lot of the country realized how fucked up the wars in the Middle East were. This put people squarely into two pretty emotional camps, pro-war and anti-war. Everyone* had an opinion. Everyone* was open about sharing that opinion. Over those few years 2003-2008 was probably the biggest shift in openly talking about politics among regular people. And since being open about politics was now in, here came the wave of loud and proud racism from "centrists" and conservatives once Obama was elected and it hasn't died down since.

    So, yeah, it's real easy for discussions to get "hot" when one side is openly calling for all the -isms in the book and people on the other side finally realizing what's happening.


  • I said parents are selfish for having kids. You can try to downplay it all you want, but you don't have a kid for this future magical mystical kid. You have a kid for your own wants and needs over everything else. Just because having kids is an accepted action in society doesn't make it not selfish. And since you think of "selfishness" as a bad thing, this makes your brain scramble and your cognitive dissonance go into overdrive causing you to come up with completely inept retorts like I'm "selfish" for simply existing and using resources that the Earth clearly has as I'm using them.