Objective: Secure & private password management, prevent anyone from stealing your passwords.

Option 1: Store Keepass PW file in personal cloud service like OneDrive/GoogleDrive/etc , download file, use KeepassXC to Open

Option 2: Use ProtonPass or similar solution like Bitwarden

Option 3: Host a solution like Vaultwarden

Which would do you choose? Are there more options ? Assume strong masterpassword and strong technical skills

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    Keepass on phone, desktop and tablet. Sync serverless via Syncthing.

    • completely private
    • always available when needed
    • no dependency on services which may go away
    • all open source software
    • maximum security
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        Check out tailscale (or headscale)

        It lets you connect those devices without necessarily sending all data through your home network when you are remote. (Though that is an option along with many other great features like ssh authentication)

        It also uses WireGuard for the backend which is more secure and efficient than openvpn.

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    Keepass + syncthing.

    Don't let your vault go unencrypted through the cloud.

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      Your vault is always encrypted very securly except when in RAM. There is no security concern with uploading it directly to the cloud.

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        It's encrypted at rest with a passphrase. Syncthing encrypts it at transit with a random key.

        There is a huge difference on the security of those.

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          Keepass allows you to use a passphrase in combination with a randomly generated keyfile. You only need to copy the keyfiles to your devices once (not via cloud services, obviously). Your actual database can then be synchronized via any cloud provider of your choice (hell, you could even upload it publicly for everyone to see) and it would still be secure.

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    I use option 1 with Syncthing for a distributed cloud solution

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    Keepass fIle in my own nextcloud instances, synced to my phone so I can also use keepass2android. This way if something happens I at least have another copy of it, beyond my backup system.

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      that's actually exactly how I have my setup. I just use syncthing to keep everything dynamically backed up as I add passwords. my main login password is memorized and not written down anywhere so I think I'm good

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      I do the same, but synced to Dropbox from computers and phone.

      I have the Proton password manager as well but not sure yet if I'll do a full swap over.

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    I've used Option 1 with my Nextcloud and it works perfectly. Other options seem more apropriate when you need scale, many user each with their own vault.

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      I've never heard of Syncthing, I use Keepass on Windows and my Android, syncing to Dropbox. If I change to Syncthing is it an easy swap, anything I should watch out for?

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    I used to self host Bitwarden, but didn't want the hassle of securing it and updating it properly and consistently. So I just pay $10 for bitwarden premium and I get to support the company.

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    Option 2. It's the most robust. You'll never lose it (provided you have the redundancy), you can use it offline, you can transfer it using a USB pen, it's available in all platforms, including web. I've been using this for 8+ years, on my phone, desktop, laptop, company computer, etc. I store it on a personal cloud (and on each machine, of course, by syncing).

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    Vaultwarden. And take regular back ups. I don't trust my passwords to be safe anywhere other than my own servers. The chances of my server being hacked is very less.

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    I use and prefer option one, but take it a step further in that I host my own cloud service. I used to use Dropbox for years, but we got divorced.

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    I do keypassXC and Syncthing. It’s cross platform with only a couple bucks needed for lifetime access to all all necessary features depending on platform. Besides I use Syncthing for a bunch of other stuff as well, so it fits right into my flow. I’m considering moving to a command line tool simply called Pass, and still syncing with Syncthing, but I’ve yet to pull the trigger on that switch yet.

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      I also do keepassxc, dx on Android, and syncthing to keep them updated. What is it you paid for?

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        I’m both an iOS and Android user for various reasons. There is a free KeePass front end for iOS, but I paid a one time lifetime license for one that was a little more feature rich. That and the only version of Syncthing for iOS requires a like $4 purchase to allow you to sync folders outside of its default location, which was a pretty necessary feature for me.

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    Option 4: levy existing tools such as gpg and git using something like pass. That way, you are keeping things simple but it requires more technical knowledge. Depending on your threat model, you may want to invest in a hardware security key such as a yubikey which works well with both gpg and ssh.

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      Why use tools not meant for password management, when alternative tools explicitly meant for password management, which have similar levels of security, work just fine?

      You’re essentially saying “instead of driving down the road, I like to ride my bike with rollerblades.”

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        I have a set up like this (age, passage, & git). Bitwarden's browser integration works just fine, for the most part. The thing is, some of my passwords are not browser-based, and I spend large amounts of time in the terminal. Using a CLI-tool in this case lets me save a bit of time

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        It is just how I prefer to do my computing. I tend to live on the command line and pipe programs together to get complex behavior. If you don't like that, then my approach is not for you and that's fine. As for your analogy, I see it more as "instead of driving down the road in a car, I like to put my own car together using prefabs".