I came here to say this. I don’t really do networking so I don’t have much care for this issue, but the clarity of the explanation was enjoyable. Plus I learned a couple of little things too.

Working now.

Not for me.

Careful, that glitch is affecting your comments too. 😛

There’s a bill in the Canadian senate right now for UBI, and yeah, this is what the conservatives are saying.

For anyone interested in the bill: https://www.ubiworks.ca/guaranteed-livable-basic-income

I love the idea and hope it will work out great, so of course I’ll join. I also have some niggling doubts but they may not be logically well founded. It certainly worth trying.

Wait a minute… today’s Monday! 😲

Classic Scylla and Charybdis. Good luck on your odyssey.

The people that have problems with Windows and have to ask for help, shouldn’t be using Linux because it’ll confuse the poor souls even further.

My mother got so fed up with her windows problems that she asked me to put Linux on her computer. While she still had problems after that, she found them manageable and was happy with it ever since.

The people that know exactly how to configure and use Windows with zero problems have no need to use Linux

Nobody has zero problems with either os. The difference is whether you want to deal with problems that are just technical, or due to incompetence and profit motive.

Where’s that from?

She was so much better when she was going by just her first name.

The Energy Accounting page is under Technocracy Fundamentals on the beginner’s page. The Energy Certificate one is much longer and older (for example paper certificates would no longer be used today). I checked and the links work for both.

The other two more comprehensive docs I mentioned should be available now under Technocracy In Print (links are towards the end of their respective descriptions). Let me know if you need any more help or have questions.

That’s what happens when signs aren’t clear enough. There should be little white lines separating the far leg and arm. Ambiguity like this can lead to accidents, and bear-walking.

No such thing as strong enough regulations. They’ll alway find a way as long as there is motivation to do so.

Nope. All you’d be doing is slowing down the damage in the short term while breeding more clever and less moral actors. The only way to get rid of that behaviour is to change the rules of the game.

I guarantee there’s more people who might like to travel than planes and fuel to move them. Expanding the sector requires a variety of inputs, which themselves are in shortage.

There will always be some things that will be scarce, yes, like say space travel, that will have to be dealt with by other means. The point is that there are more than enough other things that can be provided in abundance to give everyone a high standard of living. And once the inefficiencies of the current system are removed, even many scarce things (like air travel) will be far more available than they are now.

Please do. I did read through that page and a few other places on the website. It explains that it’s a new economic system, but not how it works.

There are a couple pages that go over the basics (e.g. The Energy Certificate), but if you want more details I just need a way to get a couple of pdfs to you.

Maybe they should make a reality tv show about it, entertainment is way more lucrative than saving lives. I mean, if they can make crab fishing a show… 😞

Well, if you’re talking about just food, shelter, and some very basic kind of transportation (no planes!), sure, there’s no scarcity. That’s a very low bar, though, and most people don’t want to live at the subsistence level.

No, I mean a high standard of living, according to what is possible at the time. Good homes, plenty of good food, easy transportation wherever you want to go in the country, etc.

Can you link to the original proposal, so I know what we’re talking about?

I can get you the older stuff sure, but it was written for a different audience. You’ll most likely do better with a starting point like this.

How does that work? There almost wasn’t enough food to go around in the great depression,

Oh there was plenty of food to go around, the problem was that the system couldn’t make it “go around”. Either people were too poor to be able to afford it (all the unemployment back then) or companies couldn’t sell it for enough to stay in business. That was the problem: we were suddenly able to produce so much that the prices fell too low (in conjunction with decreased demand due to lower purchasing power) to sell it. This was precisely the problem Technocracy was developed to address. An economic system based on scarcity cannot distribute an abundance of goods and services, so either you use a system designed to actually do that (Technocracy), or you get rid of the abundance and keep the old system. Guess which we did. So crops were burned, livestock slaughtered, even weird stuff like pouring oil on oranges so no one could eat them. Get rid of the abundance, and prices go back up. Then we pumped money into the system so that people could afford to buy that scarcity again with the New Deal, subsidies to farmers, and good ol’ WWII helped a lot too.

and plastic was an advanced new material hard to come by from the 40’s through the 60’s. Electronics took a long time to be produced in any significant quantity too. And what about land?

I’m not talking about an abundance of every little thing, but rather what essentially gives a high standard of living: food, shelter, transportation, etc. We could have given everyone on the continent a much better life than was typical for the day. We have enough natural resources and technology to do that (although that won’t remain true forever).

Plato said everything would be great if we had the smartest people in charge. He called it the philosopher king, others call it technocracy.

Ah I see. Yeah, the term “technocracy” does get used to describe different things. What I’m talking about is a very specific proposal developed in the 1920s to address the problems of high production in a scarcity economy.

Except they don’t tell you that they did something different and you have to spend half an hour just figuring that out.