Normal people use mainstream social media and don’t care about the fediverse. They don’t even care that Elon/Spez/Zuckerberg/Google are changing the sites.
Extremists, trans people, and others who tend to get minimized, banned, and shunned from mainstream websites probably like the idea of the fediverse. Somewhere generally without administration that they can own.
Just like alt-right and Nazi types have the same thing going with Parler and Voat, it looks like the extremist left have made their home in the fediverse
I think that a lot of people forget that collectively all the english as a first language countries added together dont add up to the population of china or india. So the algorithm which doesnt discriminate based on language just feeds us the aggregate.
I try not to get annoyed at the tankies. If my government would fuck my life up and disappear my family for talking shit about them, Id probably play along too.
And, I almost tend to agree. They’re awfully tough to digest, even with empathy. Their tactics are… bad?
It’s almost like an abused animal that you’d like to help. But, it’s such a threat that you kinda have to leave it be. Every time you try to feed it, it bites and scratches you,and everyone around you.
At some point, despite the empathy, you just let it starve.
“extremist left” is a bit much to describe groups of people just trying to avoid harassment and hate on platforms clearly careening to the right, with essentially zero moderation, that officially respond to inquiries and concerns with automated poop.
This is the right answer. Of course marginalized groups tend to colonize new communities, because the big platforms, both because of their top-down structuring Nd because of the people who are on them, aren’t always welcoming.
This is different from Voat tho. Voat was explicitly made to be a “free speech zone” i.e. a “let’s say nazi shit because nobody can censor us”-space. The fediverse’s idea is simply not to be dependent on centralised platforms, it says nothing about the content. If it happens to be left leaning, it’s because left leaning people tend to care more about stuff like right to privacy and centralisation.
the most universal and common limits to free speech that people will come across on social media in the west are usually an iteration of ‘don’t be an asshole’
social media censorship is usually relatively lax on other fronts, and various sites will censor different things, whereas most every site will have basic enforcement of ‘don’t be an asshole’ rules
as a result the most crying about free speech will come from folks who got told off for being an asshole and are entirely incapable of getting over it
I don’t think “free speech” and “don’t be an asshole” are incompatible. I do mostly agree with your take, there different flavors of asshole that are more tolerated than others though.
I’m an extremist lefty. I want to ban cars, force teachers to only use gender neutral pronouns for their students, seize the means of production, and abolish consensus reality.
Normal people use mainstream social media and don’t care about the fediverse. They don’t even care that Elon/Spez/Zuckerberg/Google are changing the sites.
Extremists, trans people, and others who tend to get minimized, banned, and shunned from mainstream websites probably like the idea of the fediverse. Somewhere generally without administration that they can own.
Just like alt-right and Nazi types have the same thing going with Parler and Voat, it looks like the extremist left have made their home in the fediverse
I just hate ads and want the ad driven internet to die.
That’s why I came here too. Then, it was infested with tankies. Been a strange experience so far.
I think that a lot of people forget that collectively all the english as a first language countries added together dont add up to the population of china or india. So the algorithm which doesnt discriminate based on language just feeds us the aggregate.
I try not to get annoyed at the tankies. If my government would fuck my life up and disappear my family for talking shit about them, Id probably play along too.
This is actually an interesting take.
And, I almost tend to agree. They’re awfully tough to digest, even with empathy. Their tactics are… bad?
It’s almost like an abused animal that you’d like to help. But, it’s such a threat that you kinda have to leave it be. Every time you try to feed it, it bites and scratches you,and everyone around you.
At some point, despite the empathy, you just let it starve.
“extremist left” is a bit much to describe groups of people just trying to avoid harassment and hate on platforms clearly careening to the right, with essentially zero moderation, that officially respond to inquiries and concerns with automated poop.
You’re right, too many of the people on the fediverse aren’t extreme leftists. We should radicalise them
What you describe is exactly what extremist left is. Antifa means nothing less then being against facism. Who isn’t except of facists?
i dont see how they implied any if the above to be “extremist left”
it seems like you read “extremist left”, assumed it was referring to you and then got upset about it referring to you
it doesn’t apply to me, I don’t care if you think it does
if you’re unable to understand implied context, that’s your issue, not mine
i missed extremist left in the end of the sentence, you are correct
This is the right answer. Of course marginalized groups tend to colonize new communities, because the big platforms, both because of their top-down structuring Nd because of the people who are on them, aren’t always welcoming.
This is different from Voat tho. Voat was explicitly made to be a “free speech zone” i.e. a “let’s say nazi shit because nobody can censor us”-space. The fediverse’s idea is simply not to be dependent on centralised platforms, it says nothing about the content. If it happens to be left leaning, it’s because left leaning people tend to care more about stuff like right to privacy and centralisation.
It really seems like all “free speech” social sites are really just places for racism to flourish.
the most universal and common limits to free speech that people will come across on social media in the west are usually an iteration of ‘don’t be an asshole’
social media censorship is usually relatively lax on other fronts, and various sites will censor different things, whereas most every site will have basic enforcement of ‘don’t be an asshole’ rules
as a result the most crying about free speech will come from folks who got told off for being an asshole and are entirely incapable of getting over it
I don’t think “free speech” and “don’t be an asshole” are incompatible. I do mostly agree with your take, there different flavors of asshole that are more tolerated than others though.
I was with you until “extremist left”.
Kinda crazy how not giving a shit where someone else drops a duece makes you an extreme leftist…
I mean, if it’s in the middle of my living room…
I’m an extremist lefty. I want to ban cars, force teachers to only use gender neutral pronouns for their students, seize the means of production, and abolish consensus reality.
Hell, I’m a centrist conservative and I want to ban cars and abolish consensus reality.
You’re an antisocial child trying to make everyone do what you want without leaving your bedroom
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I’m a socialist / communist, please don’t lump us in with those others.