What I’ve stated is not baseless. There are many sources and studies claiming how plants communicate via root systems, pheromones, and other mechanisms (some we’re discovering continually). As someone who worked in forestry (and lived on a non-corporate farm that produced mostly alfalfa), it’s somewhat more apparent once you’re there and present in that world.
You can find many more if you look. We’ve known for quite a while that trees do this, and fungi are absolutely notorious for this. Speak to a botanist (or read the articles above) and they’ll tell you that plants respond to warnings from their peers about dangers, brace for pain, and signal pain to others.
To be clear they don’t seem to feel pain (but keep in mind that they said this for years about crustaceans as well, but it was simply because we didn’t know how they functioned well enough) - not understanding the pain does not mean there is no pain.
Life for some organisms means death for others. Period. You can not avoid it on a micro or macro scale, all you can do is change WHAT you kill.
Plants are cool as hell though I suppose that understanding the above means that it can fuck with the worldview of vegetarians, and nobody likes that. If you disagree, please be respectful and let me know what your reasoning is.
My dude I didn’t see what you were responding to, that’s what my comment was in reference to.
On a lot of posts I see what appear to be responses but not what they’re responding to. So if you take your comment that I responded to entirely out of context and made it a top level comment you may see what I mean, idk if the comment you’re responding to is defederated or what.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this comment chain, except the part about everything that’s currently alive being sustained by the auffering of some other living thing…the very plants we’re speaking about get their energy from a combination of sunlight and air (specifically carbon dioxide). AFAIK, we haven’t found that soil reacts to having nutrients extracted, and the sunlight and air are there anyway. So, if any organism can look down on us for our cruelty, it’d be the non-carniverous plants ;)
What I’ve stated is not baseless. There are many sources and studies claiming how plants communicate via root systems, pheromones, and other mechanisms (some we’re discovering continually). As someone who worked in forestry (and lived on a non-corporate farm that produced mostly alfalfa), it’s somewhat more apparent once you’re there and present in that world.
To quote myself on another thread:
I trust you know how to use search, but some brief citations: https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm
You can find many more if you look. We’ve known for quite a while that trees do this, and fungi are absolutely notorious for this. Speak to a botanist (or read the articles above) and they’ll tell you that plants respond to warnings from their peers about dangers, brace for pain, and signal pain to others. To be clear they don’t seem to feel pain (but keep in mind that they said this for years about crustaceans as well, but it was simply because we didn’t know how they functioned well enough) - not understanding the pain does not mean there is no pain.
Life for some organisms means death for others. Period. You can not avoid it on a micro or macro scale, all you can do is change WHAT you kill.
Plants are cool as hell though I suppose that understanding the above means that it can fuck with the worldview of vegetarians, and nobody likes that. If you disagree, please be respectful and let me know what your reasoning is.
My dude I didn’t see what you were responding to, that’s what my comment was in reference to.
On a lot of posts I see what appear to be responses but not what they’re responding to. So if you take your comment that I responded to entirely out of context and made it a top level comment you may see what I mean, idk if the comment you’re responding to is defederated or what.
Anyways my dude plants rule, I’m with you.
Understood! Wasn’t trying to be a dick, just adding clarity if needed.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this comment chain, except the part about everything that’s currently alive being sustained by the auffering of some other living thing…the very plants we’re speaking about get their energy from a combination of sunlight and air (specifically carbon dioxide). AFAIK, we haven’t found that soil reacts to having nutrients extracted, and the sunlight and air are there anyway. So, if any organism can look down on us for our cruelty, it’d be the non-carniverous plants ;)
To be clear, I didn’t say suffering, I said death and I was moreso referring to animals and how we survive.
You can cause death without causing suffering, and also the opposite.