Why This Award-Winning Piece of AI Art Can’t Be Copyrighted::Matthew Allen’s AI art won first prize at the Colorado State Fair. But the US government has ruled it can’t be copyrighted because it’s too much “machine” and not enough “human.”

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    The artwork, Théâtre D’opéra Spatial, was created by Matthew Allen and came first in last year’s Colorado State Fair.

    No. No he didn’t create it. He put words into a black box.

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      “He didn’t create it. He moved a mouse.”

      “He didn’t create it. He put commands into a keyboard.”

      “He didn’t create it. He pressed the camera trigger.”

      “He didn’t create it. He threw store-bought paint at a canvas.”

      “He didn’t create it. He cleaned some dirt off the wall.”

      “He didn’t create it. He was inspired by gods.”

      Where you see a categorical difference, I see a qualitative one. AI-generated art can be nothing more than putting words into a blackbox, but it can also be a day-long process of tweaking dozens of parameters to get what you want from the words you put into the box. A child can slather paint onto a canvas without much thought - but that doesn’t mean great artists drawing complex, intricate paintings isn’t art, does it?

      Generative AI is a tool. It can do more than most tools, but still, it is something wielded by an artist.

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        As I’d just written in another reply here, there is a world of difference in describing an illustration and creating an illustration.

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          I have to say that when I focused on computer-aided graphic design, my instructors who had done that kind of work with material supplies totally felt my work was invalid.

          And when I was writing essays in high-school English and getting downgraded for poor penmanship, my teacher refused to let me word-process my work, lest I write a whole essay with the touch of a button.

          So yes, creators have had their efforts minimized from the dawn of time, especially as new technology makes output better or easier.

          Still, this isn’t about the art, it’s about the capitalism. If we had a society where no-one had to toil for a meager existence, then artists could do their thing for the sake of creating beauty and not to earn a buck. I believe post-war social programs in the UK drove the Rock-&-Roll revolution in the 1960s (advancements in electric guitars also did some heavy lifting).

          So… feed our artists?

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          But you are creating the image as it’s often never what you intended on the first try. If anything they are editors, and last I checked we aren’t taking any rights away from editors. Someone else made the material and “you” manipulated it into a better product or into what your vision actually was.

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          Even if I were to grant you that generative AI is just “describing an illustration”: other people say there is a world of difference between painting something with your hands and using a mouse, yet I think digital illustration is as real as physical illustration. Yet other people say there is a world of difference between creating something from the ground up and using store-bought materials and tools, yet I don’t discount artists who do just that.

          But I don’t grant you that, because if I simply describe an illustration, the generative AI will not give me anything close to what I want. I have to learn the prompting language of the model (what words and phrases result in what?), I have to learn the influence the many different parameters have on the output, and I have to learn how to use things like prompt weighting, negative prompts and the like to get what I want. It’s something completely different from describing an illustration.

          And that’s ignoring things like variant generation, inpainting, outpainting and the many different things that are completely removed from just “describing an illustration”.

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      So…he did something and then by a process something beautiful was created. How is that different from pour painting?
      He put words into a box == he just tipped over a can of paint

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        Now I’m just hoping some idiot out there is trying to copyright melting crayons down a blank canvas.

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            Yea, we’re well into DADA-ist territory to find interesting reference points for the timeless question of “what is art” in this discussion.

            I’m curious: how do you feel this relates? Does the banana feel like it should or should not be art and/or copyrighted? Is it an energy/effort quality being compared to the end result? Or just the concept vs physical manifestation of the concept?