Louise Perry is a modern feminist who identifies as culturally christian. She wrote The case against the sexual revolution in which she pointed out the ways in which the sexual revolution has harmed women and girls. In this essay she advocates for the fetus and decries modern liberals’ blasé attitude toward abortion.
this does not strike me as an article worth keeping up between its dubious quality and the (generously) cringeworthy opinions of its writer
Abortion is not just “healthcare”; it is not at all like getting a tooth or a tonsil removed.
Of course not, it’s like not donating a kidney or a lung just because you have two, or half of your liver because it probably can regrow. And I bet most people that make this argument also have more blood than they technically need. Nothing of that can be an argument to even debate restricting bodily autonomy.
I don’t think you need to go that far. Abortions where the fetus is non-viable or already dead are healthcare and only healthcare.
How did the fetus get into the woman’s womb? Why do they have no responsibility towards it?
Showing consideration for the life you created when it is in it’s most vulnerable form isn’t in anyway comparable to organ donation.
“Life” or rather the fetus at the time when abortions are usually done is not worth as much as the person’s bodily autonomy who carries the fetus. It is a lump of cells, its worth is mostly an ideological one. Maybe we should stop torturing and killing animals (LIFE!) instead of caring so much about a lump of cells without any feelings or sensations. Just shouting “LiFE” doesn’t give any fetus any extra worth, this is the patriarchy trying to regain power over women’s bodies again. It is a massive double standard to care more about a cell lumps life but not about the carrier’s.
I have a question. Many humans are vulnerable in non-fetal form and this group in particular loves to exploit them, wouldn’t it be more beneficial to first take care of that little problem?
It seems common sense that some abortions at least take place because people are not able to protect their kids from this group in particular (edit: and I do not specifically mean this in a sexual abuse way, though this group has had frequent accusations, likes to accuse others themselves, and has a tendency to accuse others of what they specifically do and are, embarrassedly at least to have it publicly admitted, aware of at some level… but I meant other ways like primarily hogging up property and putting others not from the group in desperate positions, benefitting from cheap exploitative and distressed technical and physical labour support). So it is like this group is simply pushing the blame on others despite being one of the many sides responsible.
It seems very obvious. It also seems very obvious any answer is given will be a non-answer.
It also seems very obvious any answer is given will be a non-answer.
Of course it will be a non-answer since you just posted a whataboutism. You gotta give people something to work with if you want a meaningful response.
If you’re genuinely interested and not just sealioning, I’d recommend this essay by Judith Thompson in 1971. For the sake of argument, she grants that a fetus might have a right to life, but argues (I think) very convincingly that a person’s right to bodily autonomy outweighs that potential right, and that we naturally recognize that in other cases.
Why do you not show more consideration towards your skin cells?
Yay! Paganising!
Article seems pretty yikes.
so i read the headline. Pretty excited, cause i take inspiration from all the gods and practice their virtues.
unfortunately this article is poop
I take inspiration from no gods and follow and practice none of their virtues due to their attribute specifically (practice some due to coincidence only).
And I also say this article is poop.
Similar story here! Thanks for saving me the rest of the article.
Sorry, OP but if being able to choose the right time and circumstances for carrying a child to term makes women pagan, then I encourage every woman to not live in a Christian world.
I’m pro-choice and atheist. I just thought the article presented an interesting perspective.
It is the same perspective as most Christians. It is not interesting or accurate, but based solely on weird Christian morality.
“I’m emotionally and intellectually drawn to Christianity, and—like everyone else—I was raised in a culture suffused with fading Christian morality and symbolism.”
i would laugh at this if it wasnt how Jordan Peterson turned my atheist mom antiqueer
Yeah, it is just pseudointellectual garbage masquerading as deep philosophy to justify hate.
Admins here? This breaks the (complete version) be(e) nice rule in many ways. Specifically being scientific/knowledgeable sounding when trying to generally be harmful towards others, and in calling anyone who didn’t agree with this ‘pagan’ in advance.
(Edited, because I felt the rest of the initial comment was unnecessary)
The article seems rather prejudiced against non-christian cultures and uses slavery practices, slaves rights, and womens rights in ancient rome to imply that the rest of the world was the same. Additionally, there is a rather clear difference between a one year old child and a few months old fetus, even if it is true that the exact moment we pick as an acceptable limit for abortion is arbitrary. The author clearly paints any sort of sexual freedom as us regressing back to antiquity, which is clearly just some dumb slippery slope thing, made clear by the last part of the article painting christianity as a garden and paganism as a wild sinister forest.
Also, why is it that pro-lifers never bring up plan B or contraception?
There are numerous reports of newborns with birth defects being euthanised in NHS hospitals during the Thalidomide crisis. I’m not aware of anyone waiting until the child is one year old to abort. Surely any justification to abort would be identifiable at birth.
The author discusses the impact of the pill at length in her book and I don’t think she identifies as pro-life. My reading of the article was that she would like abortion to be a last resort not a first resort.
She compares the US allowing abortion as equivalent to your society drifting off towards paganism, which she describes as sinister. If she wanted a deep discussion about where to draw the line she shouldn’t have brought up how the romans raped their slaves before saying that was where your country was headed.
Hey! No! :)
Ah cool, a TERF making a weird christian moralist claim. Wish I could physically put this article in the trash.
