As an Arch User who keeps hearing about OpenSUSE being a more stable rolling release…mind going into it a bit more? I’m happy on my system, mind, but idk, could be I’m missing out on something big for not making the jump. If nothing else, I’ll know my options

It looks like he’s having fun there lol

Ahh, yeah, you’re right in that case then

EDIT: I can’t read, apparantly lol i read “I liked 10 more”. disregard this first bit. Oh no no, you misunderstand: I like Windows 10. Mostly because I have no strong opinion on Windows 7 and didn’t use anything prior to that (and because Windows 8 was…Windows 8) As an OS, it was pretty fine. My problem was microsoft itself (and well, the changes that 11 brought. The list of complaints was basically me going “you had a good thing with Win10, why the radical changes to something that worked well?”).

I’ve also no delusions that Microsoft making controversial changes is gonna do much for Linux growth unless its something massive, like, “we can’t come back from this” massive–but that’s very unlikely to happen. I’ve said this dozens of times before, I’ll say it again: The only way Linux adoption will grow is if someone can walk up to Best Buy (or Browse Newegg/Amazon/whathaveyou), and walk out with a laptop or desktop with Linux already installed and ready to go + maybe a small tutorial like Fedora gives when you first boot up, since Gnome will probably be the default it comes with.

The Steam Deck was a good first step, but if Linux wants adoption, they have to put out stuff that runs Linux out the box to well-known and used markets and brick and morter shops. Not in the back either, front and center where everyone can see it. Much like Chromebooks, people will get used to Linux and its quirks–but they have to be able to access it in the first place (and by that, I mean i could grab an HP laptop packing Ubuntu if i wanted to instead of one packing Windows 11, not being told “to use Linux, you have to first choose one of many distros that are out there, then go download an ISO file and burn it to a USB”)

Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.

Wait, I’m lost here…what’s the problem there? Maybe they wanna use the browser version and not the app (i haven’t used facebook in ages, so I’ve no idea if the site now just funnels you into their desktop/mobile app as much as they can)

I can think of a few reasons why someone would complain about Windows 11 without touching privacy aspect at all: the number of clicks you now have to do to get even basic things done because they messed with the context menu, and speaking about changing things that were fine before: the (lack of) file explorer Ribbon and the start menu, the ChromeOS looking layout they went with not being to most people’s taste, the need for a microsoft account to even use the thing (tho you can edit the Registry to bypass this and several other grievances, even some i mentioned…why not just have those as settings/options, just saying?) etc, etc

Some of the above changes and then some + just how much of a pain it was to even upgrade to it were enough for me to move to Linux in the first place when i learned about it, so…yeah, I’d say it’s kinda bad when it made an (at the time, but you can argue I still am and I won’t despute it) tech idiot like me permanently move OS’s

Strange, last I checked most of the top played games were also Linux compatible. Then again, the most played titles change frequently, so I’ve no doubt at least a couple of non-Linux compatible games make it up there depending on several factors like update/DLC resurrance and such.

Really? I’ve heard the opposite, but maybe their stances have changed and i just didn’t keep up with em or i was misinformed to begin with. Regardless, I have seen a couple of multiplayer games go from broken/not working at all to actually launching and being playable (as an example Naraka: Bladepoint. It also took Dead by Daylight forever to be playable on Linux, but it is now. I believe Apex was the same). Some aren’t perfect yet, but they work instead of stopping at the title screen–if even that. Sure, not all of incompatible games are gonna make it to Linux for one reason or another, but they are being brought in–albiet, i admit It’s slow as hell but hey, s’long as more people get to play what they want on the OS they choose to use at the end of the day–at least from what I’m seeing. Could be very wrong and am willing to admit so if shown otherwise.

Unfortunate, but true that.

Oh, I’m not disputing that a large chunk of gamers play games that aren’t playable on Linux yet (tho i disagree with the claim that the majority of PC gamers play those). I’ve always said “it depends on what you like to play” when it comes to gaming on Linux and I’ll stand by that until/if that stops being the case. My first point still stands tho:

The unplayable ones are a drop in the bucket. That’s a straight up fact. And some, if not most of the unplayables are getting patched to work on Linux sooner or later (save for Fortnite. Why do I pick on that one specifically? 1) I personally dislike it and Epic, but more importantly, 2) Epic’s CEO straight up shot the idea of Linux compatability down…even tho there’s nothing really stopping them from enabling Easy Anticheat on their side and making it work vs say, making something like Battle Eye Anticheat play nice with Linux).

In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I’ve even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be “install and click play” on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don’t are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats–which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin–tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).

Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there’s a bit of a catch: it’s not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I’ve personally never gotten either to work like that so i can’t say how well it does or doesn’t), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon’s Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven’t tried the script since i don’t really play FO4, tho I’m sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it’s mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they’re available, like Baldur’s Gate 3’s LAMP. Yeah, it’s a hassle depending on the game. For me, it’s fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn’t any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we’re stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone’s tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.

Could probably be me being ignorant, but how does this look “run down” exactly? It looks like a Walmart, and them looking like this is not strictly a US thing. Walmarts look exactly like this in Mexico too, and from what ever little I seen of em, also look the same in Canada.

But to answer your question, no. Not all shops in the US look have the Walmart look.

His other comments seem to imply that since it didn’t happen to them, it doesn’t happen on Windows period. That’s just rejecting reality.

I’ve never protrayed Windows as overly terrible in my comments in this thread…or at least, I didn’t mean to if it came out that way (i stand with it being a hassle to actually get it installed tho. Had to jump through so many hoops just for it to pick up the only drive plugged into my PC and recognize “oh hey, it’s a valid drive”. And this was Win10, not 11 either). Windows as an OS is fine, and has its own problems and quirks just like every other OS in existance does. If anything my problem with it comes from Microsoft basically going “no, you’re going to use the OS you paid a liscene for how we say” and them (I assume it’s them, anyways) reverting several of the changes I made to my settings with updates + it being so heavy to install–to where laptops and such that CAN’T handle it still come shipped with it by default despite preforming horribly because of it. But i never brought any of those up, just the fact that one of those updates messed up my install so bad I had to do a re-install, and it was annoying to actually do. I didn’t call it a devil worship machine or whatever the heck the other guy keeps calling Linux lol

Still doesn’t disprove my point that Windows bricking itself is a thing that happens:

https://www.minitool.com/backup-tips/bricked-computer.html

Qoute: “PC bricked issue often occurs, especially you have installed a Windows 10 update. When searching for “bricked computer” in Google, there are many forums on this topic…Well then, how can you fix the bricked computer in Windows 10/8/7 if the brick is caused by the operating system itself (soft brick)?”

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-updates-keep-bricking-my-laptop/7eb5ac2d-fff0-41a7-b008-c59946be4333

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/windows-10-pc-bricked-overnight-please-help.3599394/

“I think its important to point out that Windows has been forcing updates on me that just bluescreen me. Once i blue screen it resets the system to its original config and it boots normally. When asked to schedule a time for the update, I chose 4/27. Sure enough after that, cant boot once.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/pguu58/recent_windows_11_update_bricked_my_g14/

First comment: “This is related to Windows 11, everyone is facing the same issue right now. It seems to be due to an expiring certificate.”

And we can keep going. Microsoft can screw up and ship an update that bricks your hardware. It’s happened before, and will continue to happen again. (And just so we’re clear: Ubuntu, Red Hat or other Linux maintainers, and even Apple with their products, are not exempt from this either. They’re also human and can mess up. But we’re not talking about Linux or Mac, we’re talking about Windows sometimes bricking itself, so they’re irrelevant to this conversation) Why you’re so adamant on denying it ever happens on Windows even tho evidence is a search away and instead paint it as solely a Linux problem is beyond me

It’s not what I think tho, it’s what’s written by others…unless I’m somehow imagining actual search results of people detailing their experiences of their machine, yes. bricking themselves. That, or Google results and Microsoft’s own forum posts are lying. Along with several other threads, videos, and examples. Which i very much douvt is the case here.

It’s a man-made thing. No man-made thing is infallible. They can and sometimes do break or mess up. That shouldn’t be hard to understand, i should think

What’s unintuitive about sudo apt install wine?

In the interest of fairness, maybe the first time you ever do it, yeah, I can see it as someone completely new to this thinking it’s black magic (heck, I’ve used Linux as my daily OS for a while and some of the things users are able to do with their skills, i describe as black magic lol). After a while tho, it becomes no big deal, and the user might even prefer doing it that way because it’s quicker (IMO) to que up a buncha packages to install one after the other vs hunting them all down and installing one by one. But yeah, point is, it can look unintuitive if you’re new to it…but once you’re used to seeing it, it’s like “ah, ok, it’s just another way to do things”

And there also nothing really stopping you from installing stuff the ol Windows way, if that’s how you prefer to do things. Just open your package manager and look up what ya need. Or even open your browser and go to the offical site, they might also have official packages to download.

Either way is valid and up to the user’s prefrences. Never understood why both sides sometimes make it sound as if there’s only one way to install stuff on Linux (not saying you’re doing that here specifically, to be clear, but I’ve seen others do so. The other person kinda is tho).

never had Windows brick on me

Congrats, if that’s true. You’re the exception, not the rule. Windows has bricked itself on several users with a couple of updates before tho (and I know this because one of those is exactly when i learned how much of a removed it can be to actually install on your system), and a quick basic search proves that yeah, this isn’t some rare thing, the OS tends to do that sometimes to the frustration of many.

I’m inclined to agree with ya there since I have no strong feelings towards Windows 7 in particular and I’ve never tried earlier versions. Yeah, I can live with Windows 10 if i had no other choice or say in the matter, and it wasn’t my old install (see the other parenthesis if you care to know)

The ads are on the Start menu search. They’re not that bad as far as I remember, but i can see for others why’d they’d be annoying–in particular, those who paid for the software liscene already. it’s the small little annoyances when it came to Microsoft’s decisions (and the fact i wanna believe my Windows was just messed up from the word go…seriously, that thing was laggy as it was slow and just…strange is the best word I can describe using it, compared to other machines running Windows 10. So yeah, I already had one foot out the door as it was) and the fact I realized I had a choice that was NOT apple that moved me to Linux and it’s been pretty good, considering 95% of my needs are met on Linux

Depends. what version of Windows? 10? I can agree for the most part that yeah, it’s fine. Most users loved 7, I…never paid it much mind (mostly because it was good, i guess? Got nothing bad to say about it, at least) and 8 was…Windows 8.

Windows 11 tho? Eh…the UI’s ok. I like it better than 10’s, at least. Ish. But whose bright idea was it to limit the number of items in the context menu? Or to hide the ribbon that, again, shows you more options? Or basically force ya to make a Microsoft account to even use the thing? (there’s apparantly a way to revert some of these things via messing with the Registry) Like, Windows 10 was fine like you said, dunno why 11 needed such drastic changes. And that’s without mentioning ads or the habit Windows has of reverting some of the setting you set after an update (tho that was a thing since 10, tbf. Still annoying)

Manjaro is Arch and Endeavour is not

So if Manjaro is Arch, I should be able to get daily updates and use the AUR without a problem, right?

…right?

I bet the experience outside of Steam Deck depends a lot on the dist, graphics drivers and card and someone's personal knowledge/willingness to screw around making everything work

In my experience, it's been about the same. Then again, I also use an Arch based distro on my desktop, but I dunno, even when I distrohopped a lot and used other distros and hadn't replaced some of my specs, gaming wasn't a pain to setup or do in general unless it was something that specifically didn't work with Linux (maybe modding was hard at first, but once I found out what worked for me, I was golden).

“Seriously, why is it such a confusing prospect to Linux users that Linux is difficult?”

Because honestly? It really isn’t. A couple of years ago, maybe it was hard, but now, Linux is easy to pickup and learn; so easy even someone like me who has zero programming/coding skills (not my profession) and still kinda thinks typing stuff into the terminal is basically black magic was able to pick it up and adopt it with very little hiccups and set it up for my ma on a seperate computer with no problems on her end. Unlearning Windows? That’s the hard bit, especially if you go into Linux (or even Mac, as was the case with me a long time ago) thinking it’s Windows with another skin instead of different beast althogether that has it’s own quirks one needs to get used to, just like with anything new (and just how the majority are used to Windows’s own quirks). That’s where you’ll start having a bad time.