I know of someone who says they listen to Joe Rogan podcasts (political I assume) but I don’t know what this means or what the connotations are. Both this person and I live in east asia.

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    You make it sound like he just uses the Socratic method to give weirdos the rope they need to hang themselves. And maybe that’s true for a sophisticated audience who already come in with solid critical things skills in place. When they don’t, as is often the case for his under-25 audience who are still coming up, the appearance is that he treats them as legitimate - the same as he treats NDGT.

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      Even if what you’re saying is true, you’re implying there are “dangerous” ideas that can’t be discussed because someone might believe them. I don’t really believe ideas should be coddled. If these ideas just take over the minds of the impressionable then surely something else will do the same shortly. The exposure rate to ideas in 2023 is very quick. Just because someone has serious beliefs in astrology over astronomy doesn’t mean that we compromise one of the key ideals of being an American.

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        OMG now you sound like him. “They want to silence this!”

        I said nothing about disallowing discussion. Or any other action that should be taken. We have someone here asking what’s up with JRE and I’m telling them. Are you trying to silence me!!! You want to censor this!!!

        But more seriously:

        Is it possible for media to spread disinformation? Can that be dangerous?

        These are unambiguous “yes” and “yes” answers. And that’s what happens with this show. Period.

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          Lol nobody is silencing him, he’s getting paid 100 mil from Spotify and has creative control.

          And he’s podcast not the news. I’m pro podcast just like I’m pro fediverse. The fact an independent creator can reach such heights should be celebrated. But as much as you want to be uncle Ben from spiderman, just because his podcast becomes popular doesn’t mean he now needs to change how he is.

          Dudes been talking about ufos for years but now is that no longer “disinformation” because congress had a hearing on it?

          So dumb. If people want to talk about ghosts and goblins let them. If this is more of a “we have to stop hateful ideology” thing, It kind of sounds like you need to listen to someone like Daryl Davis a bit.

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            One way I celebrate his great heights is by treating him as the major media source he is. You want to have it both ways: celebrate his massive success but treat him like just some jackass talking about conspiracies. #unclebenwasright

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        Dude, you’re misunderstanding. No one is saying the ideas can’t be discussed. People are saying he’s irresponsible for giving his platform to these people without doing his due diligence to inform the audience when they lie or say things that just aren’t true. It’s his platform and his responsibility to not send the information out in a vacuum that gives it space to spread without informing people of its (il)legitimacy.

        Check out ONRAC for what I’d say is a pretty responsible way to discuss fringe (or just plain wrong) ideas.