• YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    23·
    3 days ago

    I think this can be a place to post the most daft stuff vegans say, ideally with links.

    I will start with

    “Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool…”

    https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15551150

    🤣🤣🤣

    No they don’t, even the linked thread had Felix (who was the mod of the carnivore community linked) making fun of vegans for being against this. You think Felix is an isolated incident? Because they are not, I’ve heard the same sentiments expressed by many people both online and IRL. If everyone supposedly opposes this, then why haven’t animal agriculture practices changed?

    In that thread, someone else said:

    That’s okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don’t know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping… and we haven’t even started on the illegal cruelties.

    In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.

    I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.

    Surely if everyone thought that abusing animals was wrong, all the companies selling animal products that resulted from said abuse would be gone. But people don’t actually care and just buy whatever from the store, directly supporting the abuse. People may “oppose” it theoretically but in practice don’t. Even the US government “solved” the problem by making it a crime to film what is actually happening in those places (ag-gag laws) since businesses were losing profit when their cruel practices were exposed.

    But I know I am wasting my time with you in particular, you spout nonstop carnist apologia. You insist there is 0 suffering during animal agriculture and that veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way. There isn’t a way to actually talk to you about this or veganism in general because we will go around in circles accomplishing nothing. I am vegan, you are incredibly carnist. So, please disengage so I can move on with my day.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
        11·
        2 days ago

        Note to both @[email protected] and @[email protected] for the future. 1. Respect people asking you to disengage in this instance. Just stop replying. Likewise if you want someone to disengage, don’t also write a wall of text to which they might feel they need to reply. Just reply with disengage.

        Finally, this is an official warning that this discussion seems to have run its course and is devolving into a flamewar. I can’t just lock one thread, so please just stop replying to each other or I’ll have to issue a 1-day ban.

        • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          31·
          2 days ago

          Respect people asking you to disengage in this instance. Just stop replying. Likewise if you want someone to disengage, don’t also write a wall of text to which they might feel they need to reply. Just reply with disengage.

          if this is an instance-wide rule, it should be stated in the main sidebar. it’s not a deal breaker for me, but I strongly feel people should be encouraged to use the block feature, rather than getting the power to decide who is allowed to participate in a discussion.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
            5·
            2 days ago

            Ye I should probably add smt. Just a lot to do.

            The point of the disengage is that sometimes you might not necessarily want to block a person. Blocking still allows them to talk shit about you without you seeing it for example. The disengage is a way to say “ok, let’s agree to disagree before things get (more) flamey” in a succinct and official manner. You don’t always want to block everyone you get into a heated argument with, so there’s good to have a way to disengage where neither party feels like they have to have the final word.

            I hope lemmy at some point would give us a way to lock individual comment threads.

            • lemonmelon@lemmy.world
              21·
              2 days ago

              Disengage should only be enforceable if it’s invoked in good faith. Posting a wall of text and using it to get the last word forfeits any protection it provides. It’s the equivalent of calling for a fair catch in American football, then attempting a return.

              Immediate edit: it doesn’t even have to be a wall of text. Any response included with the disengage request invites further discussion and suggests that there is a desire to continue the conversation, at least to the extent of having the final say.

                • lemonmelon@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  2 days ago

                  Great, then we see eye to eye on it. I think it needs to be made as explicit as it possibly can be, so I responded with my own thoughts. It’s wonderful to know that more than one person can share a viewpoint.

      • YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        13·
        3 days ago

        I am already aware, thanks for the reminder :) When someone says to disengage, it means they want to stop the conversation because it is not worth any more of their time.

        I think animals are tortured in the industry, you do not, I think people not buying meat can cause a change, you do not. What more is there to say? Nothing. So kindly, please disengage and stop messaging me 3 times at once, 1 message is fine.

    • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      22·
      3 days ago

      veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way

      supply and demand is a theory about price discovery. it has nothing to do w with whether buying beans helps animals… which it doesn’t.