Varyk@sh.itjust.works to Out of the loop@lemmy.world · 2 months agowhat's up with the ToS changes regarding the vegan community?message-squaremessage-square168fedilinkarrow-up11arrow-down10file-text
arrow-up11arrow-down1message-squarewhat's up with the ToS changes regarding the vegan community?Varyk@sh.itjust.works to Out of the loop@lemmy.world · 2 months agomessage-square168fedilinkfile-text
minus-squareBallsandBayonets@lemmings.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months agoI’ve had conversations with vegans, and when one said that honey isn’t vegan because it’s produced by an insect (they said animal, but that’s incorrect), I stopped pretending that (at least some) vegans have any logic to their arguments.
minus-squareHagdos@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months agoWait, why is there no logic in there? Insects are animals, and honey is made by bees, which are insects and thus animals. If you believe you shouldn’t use animals for your food production, which is a reasonable definition of veganism, then you shouldn’t eat honey. I mean, fine if you do eat honey too, but I don’t really see your point here.
minus-squareTachyonTele@lemm.eelinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months agoI don’t think bees are killed for their honey. I could be wrong though.
minus-squareHagdos@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months agoYou might be mixing up vegetarianism and veganism. Vegans also don’t drink milk or eat eggs. You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.
minus-squareMrs_deWinter@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months ago You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either. You kinda do though, at least if you’re purchasing those products. Male chickens and calves definitely have to be killed to sustain those industries.
minus-squareHagdos@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·2 months agoYou’re not wrong, but it’s kinda besides the point in this argument about honey not being vegan.
I’ve had conversations with vegans, and when one said that honey isn’t vegan because it’s produced by an insect (they said animal, but that’s incorrect), I stopped pretending that (at least some) vegans have any logic to their arguments.
Wait, why is there no logic in there? Insects are animals, and honey is made by bees, which are insects and thus animals.
If you believe you shouldn’t use animals for your food production, which is a reasonable definition of veganism, then you shouldn’t eat honey.
I mean, fine if you do eat honey too, but I don’t really see your point here.
I don’t think bees are killed for their honey.
I could be wrong though.
You might be mixing up vegetarianism and veganism. Vegans also don’t drink milk or eat eggs. You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.
Indeed I was, thank you.
You kinda do though, at least if you’re purchasing those products. Male chickens and calves definitely have to be killed to sustain those industries.
You’re not wrong, but it’s kinda besides the point in this argument about honey not being vegan.