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  • Systemic ableism is the problem, not “having to deal with being neurodivergent”. Otherwise there would be no “solved” state. Though a solved state is pretty easy to get a decent definition of: A state wherein neurodivergent people have a equal outcomes in each area with respect to their neurotypical counterparts with the same base aptitude in the same subject matter, regardless of the differences in the path needed to realize whatever that aptitude is.

    Now, that said, that only describes something that is lacking. I haven’t even heard of an education system that doesn’t specifically punish neurodivergent behavior, which, worse than something that is missing everywhere, is a negative that is present everywhere. So let’s call eliminating this a compromise solve.

    As far as the ethnocentrism argument and it only being relevant if it’s solved somewhere, well, I guess the poor construction of that would be: “The ethnocentrism argument is only valid if there is an example of the problem being completely solved.” which I guess you sort or addressed effectively and I may have sloppily implied by accident. What I really was trying to say though, was, “The ethnocentrism argument only applies to this specific observation if you have an example of a school system to which the observation does not apply.” which I still stand by and still doubt you have such an example.


  • Can you name an education system globally that has solved the problems of diverse needs in education, and especially the type of neurodiverse needs that these types of memes generally reference? Because I do agree that activism that ignores diverse needs across a cultural and national axis is a problem, but it’s only a problem that applies here if there’s a place on Earth where this doesn’t apply.

    I used to have a sort of wishful thinking-esque belief that there were better places for the education of neurodivergent children. When I was much younger I thought it must be one of the other local districts near me. Then I thought maybe another US state or western country. Then I finally tried to think globally. But I’ve yet to hear a description, in all of that desperate searching, of a widespread approach to education that actually addresses these problems or even considers them problems. I’m open to being wrong though. Can you show me one? Can you point at even one? Because if my cultural bias has blanked one out I really want to know which.


  • I definitely never said that there aren’t education systems that are better than other education systems because none are perfect, or implied that at all.

    And the mistake you’ve made here is assuming that conceptually, something not being done correctly anywhere currently means it’s impossible. That idea basically negates the idea of human progress. There are lots of things currently being done that, in the past, were tried and failed simultaneously by many institutions across the planet before it was solved and the solution proliferated.

    Education that is applied equitably to people who have different needs is a problem that, if solved in the theoretical realm (still doubt), definitely hasn’t been solved at the implementation step widely anywhere. I don’t think you could name a single country where education outcomes are equitable for ND people with respect to their NT counterparts with similar base capabilities. But it’s definitely possible.


  • Not true. The state of the art of education is in a certain place where education systems that are doing the best anyone is doing are still doing so with ableist discrimination forward. Those looking to the “most successful” education systems will be imitating these practices as well. The current best is far from the best it could be though, and things could be changed radically to remove that ableist discrimination.


  • feedmecontent@lemmy.worldtoAutism@lemmy.worldHow was this show made
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    4 months ago

    A different set of strengths can form the illusion of “powers” if the majority of the people with those strengths are gatekept by ableist systems. I think part of this is just a massive filtration of neurodivergent people who make it into the professional world at every level followed by the observation that we are rare afterward. Well, we aren’t, just the ones that succeeded with no systemic backing are rare.





  • Yes, and I used to get right to it and do it guilt free, but the negative association with having those things punished as a child and teen made it harder to enjoy things permanently. I think paradigms for raising kids right now kind of do this to kids that get fixated on stuff. There’s gotta be a way to nurture the deep enjoyment of things and still get the kid to eat and sleep and go to school (which is also broken and might make the whole thing harder to fix).





  • feedmecontent@lemmy.worldtoAutism@lemmy.worldFor my own safety
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    5 months ago

    Watching what you say and what you do isn’t masking. Watching what you are is masking. You don’t just filter out, you have to emote entire emotions that you’d express entirely differently because other people are disturbed by your normal expression of XYZ feeling.

    It comes from years of being double punished when something bad happens because our remorse facial expression doesn’t match what they think remorse is supposed to look like so they don’t see any. And sometimes those.punishments are just for expressing something else in the non standard way.

    I mean sure filtering topics is part of it, and it often involves filtering very pertinent topics. For example if something is really bothering you to the point of physical pain, but it isn’t supposed to be bothering you, that is the topic you then have to filter. And you have to physically replace your expressions of pain with whatever emotion you are supposed to be feeling. Of course you don’t replace your pain with the way youd express the emotion you’re supposed to be feeling. You replace the pain with how they wish you’d express the emotion they wish you’d be feeling.

    Masking is gaslighting your entire body and brain out of every big and small action and reaction until whoever it is you really are is difficult to even retrieve.



  • This applies to Western comics in the way where they tend to have used a campy version of the power in the 60s and have to grapple with what that means later. Like when Marvel gave the villain “molecule man” the power to control all molecules then were like “fine yes, also he’s a demi god who can essentially control all things and has the combined energy across all universes to splode reality”


  • I guess I have trouble telling which level of masking I’m seeing talked about because I interpreted the op as a conscious thing whoops.

    I do both levels. Like, I have “I don’t want to explain this thing” which I’m trying to stop on that conscious level, but I also experience the other side where certain circumstances are just like, flashes in my brain that pull out the only response that feels safe, or sometimes the only one that seems non-destructive, but not in a way that I’m capable of processing in the moment, and I don’t know why I do it often. Unraveling that is a lot harder, though, and while it is happening, maybe the less advanced state of that unmasking effort is also why I can’t see it being talked about.