Unless you don’t vote on much, I think you underestimate how much information can be attained from the pure data of up/down votes.

There is also the fact that people traditionally vote on stuff they wouldn’t comment on because they see it as more private.

I guessing it’s Amazon’s old android app store? I remember lots of users having a lot of hope for that app store bringing competition and higher quality app and app store quality. Oh how naive we were.

This has been a fairly open secret, or at least it has been in my family. My father traveled a lot and we would always throw those on the floor immediately. I assume nowadays many of the bigger chains do clean them but I still wouldn’t trust smaller places and even smaller chain-owned hotels.

I wish those people understood the full history of Apple making every effort of creating this problem on purpose to create this effect. They’ve done everything in their power to stop any standard being introduced between the OSes and to introduce features that create this “iPhone vs others” clique bullshit.

Yet these kids and even adults act like it’s an android problem. I hate how corporations always win like this, they know exactly how to manipulate people and it works.

Surprised no one has linked this yet.

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Can you actually argue this or are you just parotting what other people parrot on social media? Databases require trust between parties, for example, so that’s one of many, many reasons they don’t replace one of the use cases.

Which instance did you try for that? Lemmy.world definitely didn’t have a new reddit feel to me but I can’t speak for the others.

I’ve seen there are some front-ends for desktop that you can use and there are some that make it look like old reddit. I haven’t used any of them but you can try this one:

https://mlmym.org/lemmy.world/

I think you can just replace lemmy.world with whatever instance you use.

Can I ask why? I’ve felt the browser experience is significantly better than any app I’ve tried so far. At least for lemmy.world it is.

Exactly. And everyone is so ready to argue these days, that there are no discussions, only arguments. If you tried to say “maybe we should focus on the bad things billionaires do instead of dumb tweets” in response to a musk thread, people will simply respond “take musks dick out of your mouth boot licker” and similar insults. That’s not a hypothetical, that’s a near word for word example of how these circlejerks respond to literaly anything that doesn’t line up perfectly with the hivemind.

I’m already seeing some of that on lemmy unfortunately. I hope some communities pop up with stronger moderation against this shit or I may just be done with social media for a while.

Same. I understand why it’s like that, all instances need to be able to see the information. But there must be a way to do this without the instances understanding exactly which users are doing what. Something like zkproofs or hashes or whatever (I’m not a programmer, clearly), there is surely some way to do it while maintaining some privacy.

It gives a lot of data on users to see exactly what they upvote and downvote. Especially with AI being able to go through that data very quickly. It wouldn’t be hard to find out a user’s political leanings, general IRL location, age, gender, so many personal details they don’t want to share that could be used against them through advertising or worse.

All the mindless circlejerking and echochambers. I hope the federation helps split up communities about the same topic which should help prevent echochambers from being as strong, and keep people seeing more information and opinions about the same topic.

I was so tired of seeing blatant lies and misinformation being spread just because it fit people’s narratives. Like those “dawn project” tesla videos, people hate musk so much (which I’m sure all the much worse billionaires love), so they feel they must hate teslas too, so they keep spreading those videos that have been debunked and proven incredibly questionable that were made by a competitor that’s been failing to compete. That’s just one tiny example. Don’t even get me started on the outright lights and misinformation people spread about crypto.

And of course if anyone ever tried to correct anyone, share actual facts, real articles from trusted sources, anything that went against a particular thread’s circlejerk, you would just be harassed, personally insulted, and downvoted immediately. It was so hilarious and sad spending time responding to someone’s bullshit with real information and a real argument just for them to do a one-liner personal insult based on nothing, because they knew they didn’t actually have anything but the circlejerk is all that really ever mattered.

I’m ranting, but this attitude people have of just not caring about reality when the lies fit what the circlejerking hivemind wants is one of my biggest gripes about modern internet and it’s incredibly dangerous. It’s exactly the mindset that trump supporters have that allows them to believe whatever the fuck they want and that led to people dying at the capitol, and it’s the type of mindset that will eventually lead to far worse things if social media companies don’t do more to combat misinformation and echochambers.

I’ve been on the internet long enough to say it won’t. It will last a long time depending on the design of the system that creates the communities (mods, upvotes/downvotes, rules, algorithms, etc), but even that is limited because eventually every community reaches the size it needs to to encourage toxicity, echo chambers, circlejerks, and attracting even more toxic people from outside the communities.

It took reddit many years to start reaching that point though, I hope it takes these federated sites longer. And hopefully due to their design, they can keep most of the toxic people isolated.