Theoden: “You…”

Saruman: “No. That was a rhetorical question”

Theoden: “And I gave you a rhetorical answer”

Saruman: “Good Lord Sauron, I traded Boromir for this…”

This comment is beautiful. It manages to admonish another for a concept it in of itself can not grasp.

Well, I’d contest that, but my opinion on the topic isn’t really that strong.

I wish I had opinions as strong as this.

But in the end, they’d really only be cheating themselves.

Not if you want to apply the “we are not the same meme” format. That… Like a sith… Only deals in absolutes.

Cost cutting, the advent of digital distribution, as well as technological and game design improvements that allowed for such information to be conveyed in game, all contributed to game manuals becoming less and less valuable. Due to these factors, they kept getting smaller and smaller until one day the just stopped being commonly made.

Though my nostalgia still misses them (and strategy guides).

I guess my point is that you have no argument.

I think you are mistaking me for t0fr. While I do think you had a terrible take, and did ask how it was relevant to what t0fr said about Bethesda’s Fallouts being known for having worse writing, I never argued that Bethesda’s games weren’t the most well known in the series. So, again I fail to see how what you are saying has any relevance to what was asked…

But, for the sake of argument, the StarWars sequel trilogy had the highest combined box office of any of the trilogy’s by far. Does that mean the Sequel trilogy is the best of the three? Did it have the best writing? Does that mean that long time fans shouldn’t get an opinion when stories that they loved get steamrolled over?

Dont get me wrong, I’m enjoying the Fallout show, and I like the Bethesda games. But sales numbers and ownership aren’t the be all end all of what makes good fiction. And pretending like it is largely plays a roll in why we get so much high budget schlock.

Okay, disregarding how terrible of a take that was, which part of your rant was relevant to the topic at hand?

Look man, I like the Holiday special too, but there’s no need to be mean about the other obviously inferior movies.

“But do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know.”

And now I do too! Thanks for the recommendation!

Your comment got me curious, so I did some digging. Unfortunately Steam caps out filtering reviews at “above 100”, so I couldn’t find a way to get data on the difference between 100-200 hour players vs 500-1000 hour players for example. But I broke it down by 0-24 hours, 25-49 hours, 50-99 hours, and 100+ hours to see the results.

Unsurprisingly, folks who played it for less than 25 hours liked it the least, with an average of 50% positive reviews. This is also the largest sample size by far, accounting for 51,686 of the roughly 140,000 reviews.

More surprisingly however, the next three data sets (25-49, 50-99, and 100+), order themselves naturally from “most positive sentiment to least”. Essentially, the longer you play it after 25 hours, the more likely you are to rate it negatively.

Breaking it down:

0-24 hours: 50% positive reviews out of 51,686 players.

25-49 hours: 69% positive reviews out of 34.644 players

50-99 hours: 64% positive reviews out of 30,775 players

100+ hours: 61% positive reviews out of 22,800 players.

Oh, and because I just reread your comment, I checked out the 1-10 hour players as well, and your guess there was accurate. 40% positive reviews out of the 27,316 players in that range.

And given that there were more negative reviews in the 0-24 hour range than reviews from people who even played it for more than 100 hours, I would say you were mostly right about the guess that players who played it for a very extensive time and reviewed it negatively were a minority. Even if that minority was made up of about 8,900 reviews, or roughly 6.3%.

While this is far from a “definitive scientific test”, the data on Steam seems to indicate that among people who liked the game enough to put significant time into it, the more they played, the less likely they were to rate it positively.

A definite maybe. Game play is dated and combat is terrible. Pretty standard for RPGs of it’s time, but hard to get past for alot of folks.

But if you like classic CRPG story telling, it’s hands down one of the GOATs. Make sure to grab the unofficial patch (which the GOG version just comes with).

Hey, thanks for making StarWars memes. I know making ST memes can generate a lot of… impassioned discussions. But I appreciate seeing the genuine effort on content. So thanks.

If it worked for you, more power to you. My ramblings are nothing more than the butthurt musings of an OT fanboy. And maybe I’ll always be blinded by those lenses.

Fwiw, I did understand the point they were trying to make, and I get that it is possible for a person to change over decades, and not always for the better.

But for me, regardless of the point, it was too large a departure from the core of Luke’s character. Character writing involves, well… characterization. Giving your characters arcs, traits, beliefs, values, and growth. Unless you take the time to show and develop the changes in a character, then it can feel like a wholely different person. And (with no time spent developing the change) the Luke we got in TLJ held none of the traits of, or lessons learned by, Luke in the OT.

Luke had ended the OT being defined by his courage, composure, dedication to his friends, and an unyielding belief that the goodness inside a person is able to overcome the darkness. Luke in the ST showed none of those traits. And I think that undermining the core traits of a beloved character, without even spending time developing those changes, just to make a point, was a bad choice.

To be fair, even assuming Luke’s retelling is accurate, it kinda felt super out of character for him to “unknowingly ignite his lightsaber”. Last time we saw the guy in movie cannon, he had just thrown away his lightsaber while facing down two Sith Lords, so strong was his belief in the good within his father. He was a Jedi Master, trained by Yoda to control his emotions. And I dont think it would be unfair to assume he got better at this since ROTJ.

But instead, he got so bad at self control that he pulled out his weapon on his nephew, over a bad premonition. Then when shit hit the fan, gives up completely and goes full hermit mode. Just didn’t feel like Luke to me. Instead it felt like Rian Johnson just wanted to make a point about hero worship and to subvert expectations.

I agree with your overarching points in the meme. But I’ll always be sad to see, what felt to me like, the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.

Elrond suggested it, but Gandalf vetoed it as Mr. Bombadil wouldn’t likely leave his forest, especially not to go to Mordor. And while he might hold onto the ring for safe keeping, Gandalf worried that he would not understand the need and would toss it aside somewhere and forget about it. Making him a unsuitable keeper of the Ring, despite it having no effect on him.

Did you have fun? That’s all that ever counts

Has that lawsuit gone anywhere? I’ve seen games published on origin and GoG for cheaper then they are on Steam. And Steam will honor developer provided game keys (hence why places like Humble and Green Man can sell games so cheaply). And after trying to research the claims, all I found was reports about the lawsuit existing. It seems like if that was real, there would be more than reports of a lawsuit and contradictory evidence by way of literally being able to buy games for cheaper on other platforms.

Not saying it’s total bullshit, just seems kind of suspect all things considered.