Kras Mazov

I agree, I was exaggerating for the argument because I think antinatalism as a whole is dangerous, not for the made up scenario of humanity going extinct, but for the eugenics/fascism side.

You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.

Ok, what straw man? I've talked about it on the individual level and also in case such ideology spreads, there is literally people that advocate for the end of humanity on the antinatalist ideology, I do not follow it closely to be able to say if it is a big part of it or not, but I've seen it before and seen the stance getting praised and this is extremely dangerous. I'm not making this argument because of the possibility it might happen, being realistic it won't, but because it just helps spread bullshit that blames everything on humanity itself like we are inherently bad.

How isn’t having kids selfish? You’re not having a child for this child’s sake. You’re having the child for your sake.

That makes no sense to me, deciding to birth another human being and dedicating your life to them is the opposite of selfishness. Of course not everyone is like this, and people that just makes children and doesn't give a shit about them are selfish, but the act itself is not.

How? It's the part about taking it to it's logic conclusion, which I said was an exageration?

Why is it a leap in logic? And why having kids is objectively selfish? Genuinely asking.

Quite a few people here on the comments are siding with the antinatalist narrative, but I don't think this is rational at all, in fact it's dangerous. Sure, you can individually opt to not bring more people into the world because you believe it would bring more suffering than happiness, but if this rhetoric spreads, the logical conclusion (heavily extrapolating without considering anything else) is the end of humanity which solves nothing, and while it prevents suffering, it also prevents happiness. If done and advocated in the pretext that we are ruining the planet, that certain people shouldn't be born, and other similar reasoning then this just reeks of ecofascism or plain fascism, and eugenics.

It's easy for us to buy into the narrative that we are all inherently bad and that we as humans are destroying the environment and the world, but this is not true, it's not me and you who are doing this, this is not a human trait, it's a consequence of the system we live in that incentivizes profit above all else. Why do you think awareness, support and accommodations for us needs to be fought over? Because it's expensive and doesn't guarantee profit, and the same can be said about the environment and the way corporations are literally burning the planet. Profit and accumulation of capital above all else, that is the rule.

There's only one way out of this nightmare that will give us the tools to revert the damage and actually build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet, and it's through organizing, studying and fighting.

Realistically, either when we start organizing, protesting and fighting, or when the current system is buried underground.

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I don't know how autism affects your life but I can speak for myself and I know it can be tough, executive dysfuntion has been beating my ass hard for a few years at this point.

Still, I do not think I'm broken because of it, years of conditioning by a society that doesn't give a shit about us and want us to do as much or more than everyone else while also laughing at us really fucks me up, even while being aware of these expectations and lack of structural support.

Also, I wouldn't consider myself really me without the special interests and obsessions I had throughout my life and the ways I have talked and expressed it.

What I have just said most likely won't change anything in your life, but I just wanted to aknowledge how hard it can be while also showing a little bit of what makes me happy about my experience being autistic. I hope for the best for you, friend.

Yeah, and both this feeling and the wealth inequality are only gonna get bigger and bigger as time goes by, that’s capitalism.

But there is still hope, a government and state of the working class, for the working class, where the capitalists are the ones oppressed, and not us. A society where profit is not the goal anymore, where the global south is not explored until they drop dead, where the poor and homeless can get what they need, where people can stop worrying about surviving and start living, where we are not a product anymore, but human beings.

This can only happen if people start organizing and start learning what do to and how.

Been playing The Binding of Isaac a lot for the last couple weeks. I’m approching 500 hours total and Tainted Lost is breaking my will nearly everyday 🙃. I want to finish Disco Elysium, but my ADHD is really bad lately, so I end only playing Isaac since it’s my confort game.