• MrJameGumb@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    11 个月前

    I’ve never understood this rift… I like Star Trek and Star Wars. Can’t we just agree that we’re all sci-fi nerds?

    • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.websiteEnglish
      26·
      11 个月前

      They’re very different takes on futuristic sci fi.

      I enjoy Star Wars but I’m not a “fan”, it’s just a very different series to what I most enjoy watching.

        • grayman@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          11 个月前

          In a galaxy far, far away.

          Literally not in our galaxy. Not in a close one either. Star Trek is, with the exception of 1 episode (?), in the milky way galaxy.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        11 个月前

        I would agree. I think ‘fan’ would apply to at least being into the lore. I’m not especially into the lore of Star Wars beyond what I see on screen. In Star Trek, I like discussing the lore, the “science,” etc. I’m definitely a fan.

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        11 个月前

        Yup. It’s all about magic, swords, princesses, etc. There’s literally light and dark wizards.

        It’s a fantasy series in a Sci-Fi environment.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
          2·
          11 个月前

          Which is why I’ve always thought that KTOR is a far better fit. Precisely because you can kind of just have medieval fantasy with lasers. There isn’t this big overarching empire with their ever inbigening anti-planet devices.

          Because it’s fantasy it’s kind of gone off the rails to a certain extent, there was a reason that all of the good shows are smaller in scale. Andor could be about the French resistance in the second world war and it would still work. Mandalorian could be a western.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          11 个月前

          I mean it’s implied that Q is just from a super advanced civilisation, rather than being innately magic. One of the first things we learn from Q is that he believes humanity has a chance of being a society that will some day be on the same level as them.

          IMO the Q are presented as more of a Clarke’s Third Law (“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”) kinda thing. Think about how the Mintakans view Picard in the episode Who Watches the Watchers - they view him as being a magical, god-like being, due to them looking at him through the lense of a primative society. That’s how the Q are meant to appear to us.

          The Force in Star Wars is never presented that way. It’s literally just a magical force that you can either tap into, or you cannot.

    • peopleproblems@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      11 个月前

      Yes, but I think “FanDom” implies “Fanatical Domination” meaning someone in The “FanDom” of a certain thing is sexually aroused by dominating other with their fanatical following of said thing.

      That’s the only explanation I’ve been able to come up with and I find it hilarious so I’m sticking with it.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          11 个月前

          My daughter likes going to cons just to look at the cosplay and she never buys anything, so I guess they only conned her out of the entry fee.

        • Klear@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          11 个月前

          And fans are blowhards trying to push their favourite thing on others a spread it further and further.

    • rozPierog@lemdro.idEnglish
      27·
      11 个月前

      Star trek is like an old friend you can talk with for hours. Makes you comfy, makes you laugh, makes you ponder your existence and mortality, and every time you meet they have a new story to tell you.

      As to where to start: If you can handle old shows The Original Series is really amazing for what it is.

      If you can’t then no worries The Next Generation is a safe bet, but maybe try to skip the first two seasons on your first watch, some of the episodes are painfully mediocre, and the show was still trying to find its footing.

      If you want a modern show, then Strange New Worlds is currently running and has some qualities of the old Trek

      • ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.websiteEnglish
        4·
        11 个月前

        SNW is amazing Trek I fully expected to have mixed feelings about. I especially love the remixed versions of some of the music, like that bit of the TOS theme coming through as it trails off

        • xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          11 个月前

          TBH I was pleasantly surprised by SNW as well. I had written off the newer series after trying to like DSC for like 2.5 seasons…

          It’s still not great, SNW pales in comparison to TOS for example (especially those episodes that take direct ‘inspiration’), but it’s decent enough to watch. Guess I’m just a Old Trek Geezer or whatever.

          LOW is a different genre IMHO, loved almost every episode. But of course you have to know your Trek to appreciate the series.

    • Zoboomafoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      11 个月前

      I like Star Trek because of the hopeful future it depicts, the exploration I would love to experience, and the well developed characters.

      Episodes are varied, one episode might focus on a side character’s love life, where another might be a battle against a superior foe that feels like a Das Boot adaptaion.

      I recommend Strange New Worlds, it’s a return to episodic storytelling, it’s got great visuals, great actors, and the weakest episode is better than The Next Generation’s average episode.

      I recently introduced a friend to Star Trek with SNW without explaining anything and it did a great job of introducing the setting and itself

      • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        11 个月前

        I must say the biggest problem with Star trek is consistency. TNG oscillates from the best television I’ve ever seen to worst from one episode to the next

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
          7·
          11 个月前

          That is the beauty of episodic content. If you don’t enjoy an episode, you can just skip to the next which will be entirely different.

          If the story is bad in a serial show, it ruins the entire season.

        • MaxHardwood@lemmy.caEnglish
          61·
          11 个月前

          Yeah but you got like 22 episodes each season. One season of TNG is like half of the entire run of Discovery.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      11 个月前

      My favorite thing about Star Trek- and I do like Star Wars, but this is where I think you may not like Star Trek if you like Star Wars- is that they (generally) try talking things out before using their weapons. I like to dream that we will eventually become a society where violence is not our first reaction to the unknown.

    • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      11 个月前

      Its more of a philosophical space drama then an action packed space opera.

      I just appreciate how the prime directive limits the characters. They almost always could militarily dominate the enemy, but that’s never the goal.

      • porthos@startrek.websiteEnglish
        6·
        11 个月前

        On the flip side a lot of times the only reason characters survive encounters with entities far more powerful than them is a laser like focus on understanding what an unknown entities motivations are.

        I love it when a Star Trek captain phones up some evil looking spaceship that is blowing shit the fuck up and is like “what is it precisely that you want?”. The alien picking up inside the ship usually doesn’t want to talk and it takes the captain cutting through several layers of bullshit until they discover why and the why usually drastically changes the situation.

        At the same time, this strategy isn’t portrayed in a naive way that encourages aliens to walk all over starfleet, when you understand the motivations of romulans you understand you better blow them the fuck up if they start testing you or they will see it culturally as a weakness and invade…

        Further, there are entities that are just an order of magnitude more powerful that can’t be stopped with any degree of force like Q and the characters just have to deal with it which I like because it keeps Star Trek from becoming a power fantasy about super heroes.

    • StillPaisleyCat@startrek.websiteEnglish
      7·
      11 个月前

      There’s a ‘Where to start’ FAQ linked in the sidebar wiki for this community. I recommend going there and taking a look.

      The best place to start largely depends on your personal preferences in terms of whether shows need to be action packed, have long term serialization vs episodic, and tolerances for 60s or 80s/90s trends in special effects, technobabble, Shakespearean acting styles.

      I’m an older person who has been watching since TOS was in first run, and saw the original Star Wars as a teen. Alien 1 too. All to say, I saw all of it as it came out. We were just so glad in the late 70s that someone was making sci-fi movies that weren’t post-Armageddon dreary.

      Trek has held my interest more intently, but I read more than my share of the SW ‘legends’ books as they came out. I can see a wide range of offerings in both franchises, appealing to different audiences and tastes.

      It rather boggles me that there are folks who have tried one but not the other. It’s like someone who is a DC or Marvel fan and has never checked out the other. You may not find anything to like, but the potential of finding another universe of stories that interest you is more than worth the risk.

      A word of caution. Just about Star Trek every fan thinks that the show they first watched or their favourite show is the best place to start. They’ll argue passionately that you’ll do best starting where they did. Ignore all of it. You’re you.

      Read the ‘where to start?’, check out ‘Memory Alpha’ or Wikipedia for the basic description of the main series, pick one that appeals and try the pilot. Be also cautioned that many of the shows take a while to find their groove. Checking out a ‘best of’ list for early seasons is ok if you’re not the of a completist temperament. Hope you find the Trek that’s best for you.

    • hangonasecond@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      11 个月前

      I got told by Lemmy to start from Voyager and I’ve had no regrets. Low barrier for entry in terms of not needing to know much about star trek, introduces a lot of important lore to take into different series, hits a lot of the great beats of the rest of the material.

    • Thequickresponse@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      6·
      11 个月前

      Star Trek is not at all comparable to Star Wars. If you want to start I would personally start with The Next Generation. Not the first but not too old either and one of the best series of Star Wars.

    • emptyother@programming.devEnglish
      3·
      11 个月前

      NOT any of the movies. Avoid them until you know you enjoy the tvseries. And I believe you should start at Strange New Worlds. A recent series that quickly gets itself into what we enjoy about Star Trek.

      You COULD see if you enjoy Discovery too. I think its a bit too far from what makes Star Trek fun (team work and optimism), and it too quickly delves into mirror world stuff, which you really should have more context about. Picard is a bit too much dependent on knowing stuff from The Next Generation. Lower Decks is making fun of Star Trek lore. And Enterprise and anything older is good and watchable if you enjoyed Strange New Worlds. They all have a bit slow first season though. The Original Series is too old to be watchable for me.

    • ClarkDoom@lemmy.worldEnglish
      44·
      11 个月前

      For one Star Trek isn’t fantasy in space which is honestly a lot more appealing to those of the nerdy persuasion.

      Like, Star Wars has ships that can travel anywhere and basically instantly whereas there are actually in universe explanations for how that might work in Trek and you can’t just zoom home whenever you want - Star Trek Voyager is a whole show about a ship that can’t return home. There are also just way better characters in trek and enough variety that everyone has different favorites.

      It’s also nice that many of the conflicts in trek are solved through logic, diplomacy, and smarts. Only in Star Trek Discovery and the Picard show does the franchise venture too far into “pew pew” territory.

      At the end of the day Star Wars is like 10 movies and a handful of shows that don’t do much and Trek has that many movies plus like 700 episodes of content.

      One last tidbit, most of trek actually flows really well into each other and I think is way more cohesive than Star Wars where each era of movies feels like a different universe.

      • porthos@startrek.websiteEnglish
        53·
        11 个月前

        Literally one of the biggest plot lines in Discovery is struggling with a lovecraftian horror that annihilates entire planets and having the heroes save the day by sticking to a philosophy of diplomacy, logic and understanding even when most people are clamoring to just nuke the shit out of it?

        Also, Picard can be silly but nowhere in its DNA does it abandon the heart of Star Trek for the pew pews? At the end of the second season the only thing that saves the day is characters coming to an understanding and trust with one another? Picard doesn’t have a big fist fight on a cliff or something. The only thing that works to resolve the conflict is establishing trust with a character who has the power to unleash a massive enemy?

        …did you watch the same shows I did?

        Yeah they have flaws, lots of em, but I don’t think your read on those shows is fair.

        • optissima@lemmy.mlEnglish
          52·
          11 个月前

          I didn’t watch Discovery but Picard is 100% pewpew. Its like they only watched the Trek movies. Even the third season, which was hailed as a “return to trek” when released is absolutely still Movie Picard and not TNG Picard.

        • ClarkDoom@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          11 个月前

          I’ve watched Picard and discovery twice now and can safely say they’re very pew pew. The third season of Picard rocks, regardless. I still consider discovery to be the worst of all Star Trek shows. At the end of the day, I love all trek, but those two are not the highlights of the franchise.

    • fiah@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      11·
      11 个月前

      Start with the newest: “Strange New Worlds”. It’s modern much in the way the older series aren’t, but it’s still very much Star Trek

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      4·
      11 个月前

      It had so much potential for becoming an extended universe, but in a way I think the short life helped it become cult in its own way.

  • abbadon420@lemm.eeEnglish
    2·
    11 个月前

    How dare you compare me to those low life, good for nothing, disney lovers. We are totally not the same. We might have the same origin, we’re called “nerds”. But down the road, they took a wrong turn and lost their way. However, I love them like a brother, because there is noone better to pick on than your brother.