(Note that the quoted bit I’m replying to ends after the word “…issue” and my words begin at “What a fucking…”)
In roughly 30 years online, across a wide variety of communities on a wide variety of platforms, zero of them would have removed that comment as “trolling.”
Except .ml, apparently.
One of us! One of us! --another former .ml user.
PTB for sure.
I think that this ban can be explained, under .ml admin team insane troll logic, like this: you’re attacking Trump, thus you’re defending Biden (there’s even a “but” there! It invalidates everything that you said). Biden is helping the State of Israel to genocide the Palestinians so you’re implicitly backing up the genocide “lol.” so stop trolling “tnx.”
And since you seem to be also communist, a few pointers on the instance landscape:
- dbzer0 is geared towards anarchists, but even so probably your best bet to have decent left-wing discussions.
- avoid lemmygrad - its admin team partially overlaps with .ml
- hexbear is 3/4 underage kids or adult-children behaving as such, and they like to dogpile each other (and outsiders) for the weirdest shit.
- lemmy world is at best a minor version of .ml when it comes to admins doing shit on a whim. And certainly not communist-friendly.
[Sorry for the uncalled advice, it’s just stuff that I wish that I knew when I left .ml]
[Sorry for the uncalled advice, it’s just stuff that I wish that I knew when I left .ml]
All good and I appreciate it! Though to be clear I am not a communist, and don’t see myself becoming one. I’m not sure what label to apply to myself these days.
Maybe social democrat/democratic socialist? Both are left but not communist.
That’s where my mind usually goes but then I see two folks from .ml debating the finer points of the two and whether Bernie actually is what he say he is and… and it becomes really tiresome to have to be sure I’m putting all my beliefs and opinions into the right box.
I don’t mean that in the confrontational or faux-edgy way it may sound. I know (in some cases) what I’m not, but that’s about as far as I tend to take the time to go.
Eh don’t worry about it, they’re just labels. And you don’t have to fit in the ideology perfectly. I call myself an anarchist but I don’t believe in the complete abolition of the state, just the weakening and decentralization of it :)
In any way, you’re welcome on dbzer0 and solarpunk!
In any way, you’re welcome on dbzer0 and solarpunk!
Thanks!
Are you an “Anarcho”-Capitalist? Because I’ve never seen any anarchists support just weakening of the state. That would still leave hierarchies which is the thing anarchism is meant to oppose. It also doesn’t work with anarchist praxis.
Lol no, not at all (thank god) I mainly call myself anarchist because it’s easier to explain to people. In reality I’m a libertarian socialist in general, and I’m fine with all of the ideologies in it, from democratic socialism to anarcho communism.
I’ll admit i’m not the most educated on hierarchies but I still hate authoritarianism with a passion, and anarcho capitalism is just authoritarianism with extra steps.
Phew, ok :)
Just usss…
All good and I appreciate it! Though to be clear I am not a communist, and don’t see myself becoming one. I’m not sure what label to apply to myself these days.
Ah, sorry then. It’s just that some things that you said in the comment (plus in your other comments - got to check profile to say if PTB/YDI/BPR/CLM) lean this way. Nevermind the advice then, but I hope that it’s useful for other lost commies like me.
It’s just that some things that you said in the comment (plus in your other comments - got to check profile to say if PTB/YDI/BPR/CLM) lean
Yeah, I find myself in a sort of uncanny valley politically/socially. I broadly agree with most folks who call themselves progressive or leftist (in a US context), but have a hard time slotting myself into one category. I think I’m too ignorant about the nuance of some of the different sorts of viewpoints to make the needed distinctions.
All good in any case!
Noooooo, you can’t leave! You’re my token, “I upvote people from ml sometimes” user!
I am of course kidding. Go wherever you feel comfortable, and keep being you.
Thanks buddy! I appreciate you!
What a load of crap. Total PTB.
I used to down vote you quite a lot during the election, but have found myself doing the obverse much more of late. I don’t always agree with you, but you absolutely aren’t a troll and seem to operate with intelligence and good faith.
From another online weirdo of close to 40 years.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate it! Nothin wrong with some downvotes, that’s just part of online discussion.
Literally part of the cooking process.
Good idea take learning and being challenged.
When discussions get censored, this process doesn’t happen. This is by design, I am not sure why peasants are trying to do it to each other. It only benefits the ruling class.
Which comm? But ye, sounds like a clear PTB.
Ah sorry! https://lemmy.ml/c/usa
That was in response to me and I want you to know I didn’t report it because there’s nothing wrong with it except for the fact you’re wrong.
Trump has so far been better on Israel than biden. Biden is really that bad.
except for the fact you’re wrong
Thanks, I needed that laugh.
Respect!
So here we have two adults spit balling an issue then some lil bitch reported a comment in a chain they did not like to the boss man, who censored censored it
This is not a modding, this how censorship works and half of lemmy population see nothing wrong with it.
'he rapes women up the ass so they cant get pregnant, see he cares! why cant people see that?! ’
Critical support for Comrade Trump!
PTB
Isn’t this on you for remaining on lemmy.ml for so long? 😛 /s
There are so many other places to choose from - Lemm.ee if you want the fewest defederations, lemmy.dbzer0.com for anarchy, Sopuli if you want a “Liberal troll instance” (this btw I copied straight from their rotating text at the top as they are rightfully proud of such:-) - reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, and there are so very many themed including regional ones to minimize ping and uptime stats. Sort https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list by Monthly Active Users for a helpful listing.:-)
Thanks very much!
Since we pitching alternatives… There are mbin servers out there too. They can federate with Mastodon servers too but very basic set up.
The servers are so small, there is no mod drama.
Thank you!
Modding content and tone of speach is censorship
I disagree that moderating tone of speech is censorship. The target of censorship is the discourse = “content”; a censor doesn’t want people to talking about certain ideas or facts. How those people express those ideas is orthogonal to the ideas themselves.
And moderating tone is often important because some tones are not conductive to discussion.
Any idea for the instance?
I’ve had my eye on dbzero and slrpnk.net as I’ve been pondering this move over the past few months.
Ironically the biggest thing holding me back was not wanting to give in to all the trolls from .world about being from .ml.
But now, eh maybe it’s just time.
Like blaze said, both of those are great instances. I will say that I think dbzero’s admin, db0 of course, is more active in the fediverse community, and I tend to find myself agreeing with most of their decisions and stances.
Also, recently db0 has been pushing forward with a lot of initiatives towards user/community feedback and governance, which is refreshing to see. To me, it means they are willing to allow others to hold them ethically accountable, and actively pushing for community mechanisms to allow for that.
Honestly, having voiced this… I need to stop procrastinating on a donation. I spend too much time using instance not to throw them a few dollars for upkeep. db0, keep doing what you’re doing, this random guy appreciates it.
Thanks for sharing all that. 🙂
Enjoy, they are both great !
I think it’s sad people don’t try to look past the instance handle, just another form of tribalism
Depends on the instance. Ml can be a historical account. LW a default account set on Sync… People usually don’t end up randomly on hexbear or lemmygrad
Yeah I think that’s a fair assessment.
I set up this account originally because I wanted to get a broad view of what was on the fediverse without having to make a bunch of accounts. A bunch of people warning me to block things is a surefire way to get me to immediately go check out what’s going on.
For that use case Lemm.ee might even be better, less defederated
There should be room within instance rules to allow for respectful, good faith discussion.
You and whomever else are welcome to join WG if you want a smaller place to call home.
That’s super nice, thank you! I was not aware of your instance until your comment, will check it out.
It’s very small and there are only a few of us that actually use local accounts. I haven’t really advertised it or anything since it seemed like there were plenty of better options.
Now that it’s a little better established and things are going wild around Lemmy… Yeah. Probably a good time to start looking for like-minded people to get a friendly community going.
Are you registered on https://lemmy-federate.com/ ?
Yeah. I jumped through all the common hoops (AFAIK) when I was first setting up the instance because I was undecided on what to do with it.
In the beginning I wasn’t sure if I wanted to deal with the hassle of users and instead just host communities and use it as a personal instance. Since then I’ve decided I’m ok with others joining as long as the numbers stay manageable, say 100-200 local users max, should it ever get to that point.
That way it should be large enough to foster local friendships and groups but not so large that we have users running unchecked through the fediverse causing problems. At least that’s the vision/goal.
This doesn’t seem like trolling, didn’t even look like it was some over the top chain of replies. The comment isn’t offensive either. Unless I’m missing context I don’t think it was necessary to remove it.
That said I do disagree with the poster. For all the bluster Trump (infamous liar) has had on this matter, his actual actions have been considerably better than Bidens in just this short time. If that holds remains to be seen. He’s been shit on everything else, which sucks.
You’re insisting that trump is the worse option despite the last 4 years of democrat rule leaving Americans and the objects of America’s foreign policies materially worse than either trump’s previous term or current actions. If you’re not trolling then you’re deluding yourself.
Edit: if you read “the democrats left people in a worse state than trump” and think that’s endorsing trump rather than denigrating the democrats then you seriously need to reassess your privileges. To view that as praise requires complete detachment from either of their actions. Trump’s first term was bad enough for Biden to sail into the whitehouse almost solely on the promise of not being trump, and he fumbled everything so hard that the entire US has regressed by decades, becoming less safe for women and minorities and leaving the poor and working class in more precarious a position than ever before, not to mention the whole genocide thing. If none of that materially affected you, when it affected enough of the US that trump was voted back into power, then you are operating on the vibes emanating from your ivory tower and your opinion is completely irrelevant.
Edit for db0: You don’t need to edit your comments, I just can’t directly reply to you because you’re still banned from Hexbear for DM harrassment because you wouldn’t stop crying about a temp ban. Anyway please tell me more about your smol bean president theory while I read this article about Trump overriding the TikTok ban
edit for db0: Of course, everyone’s just making cruel rumours up about you, the admins just suddenly permabanned you for no reason a couple of hours after your temp. Half our community was there you dip, you had your meltdown in public. I suppose to a liberal criticising Biden would look like supporting Trump, though.
Edit: I mean you comments got stripped out with the ban but there are enough quotes to reconstruct your tantrum. The modlog tells a similar story, but I guess I misremembered the couple of hours - the admins got sick of you after 45 minutes of whining DMs.
Never thought I’d see hexbears simping for Mr “Grab 'em by the pussy” and yet here we are. Campism, not even once, kids.
Edit for your edi : remove the liberalism from your head instead of trying to be holier than thou and realize the system would have gotten worse either way.
Edit 2: I know you can’t see me which if funny that you have to take the extra effort to come back and lurk incognito so you can then lie about me harassing your mods since you have nothing else to say. Anyway do continue to carry water for the orange fascist. He’s gonna go against Ukraine so he’s surely your guy by now.
Edit 3 :lol what a conversation. No need for rumors, everything in the open for everyone to see, both the hypocritical permaban you dished and my subsequent “harassment”, there’s even a post in ytpb about it! But do keep licking that candy, maybe it will eventually stick outside of hexbear. Also I’d love to see that “meltdown in public” you speak of. Sounds quite exciting. Sorry (not sorry) for calling your “criticism” act like I see it though.
Edit 4: Lol what revisionist nonsense. There was no tantrum. I got banned for “liberalism” for not using the unwritten disengage rule correctly which was of course just a flimsy excuse since they couldn’t find something else. They removed my comments to make revisionism like you just do now, possible. Try again :D And hey I object that my DMs where whiny. I felt they were perfectly matching the admin’s tone. 😅
It’s not simping, biden is simply that bad
No that’s just the normal progression of late stage Capitalism. You and the one I’m replying have just internalized the idea that who is the figurehead matters.
I don’t disagree with you, however in the history of our alliance with Israel this is the most Palestinians killed with our weapons by a long shot.
Biden is really trying to unseat GWB and trump for worst president in US history.
The figurehead doesn’t matter much, but I highly doubt this level of death would of occurred under a president who wasn’t a demented Zionist.
Ye, I don’t believe Trump wouldn’t have done the same, given his previous statements on the matter. But it’s ridiculous to theorize like this when we know the degradation of capitalism is inexorable and we know that Trump is an opportunist of the highest degree. I am not even convinced that this cease fire wouldn’t have happened without Trump, nor that it will last. This kind of bullshit praising the rapist fascist isn’t helping anything.
It’s not even praising trump. The only thing that gives me hope about the cease fire is the amount of Muslim countries who signed on. I don’t think they’d be involved if they didn’t think it is genuine.
I hold no faith. I think the USA and Israel wipe their ass with the opinions of Muslim countries (not to mention things like international courts) and will continue the genocide if they feel it benefits them. In fact, I’m pretty certain even all this, and the show of “political power” by trump is just political theater. The Israelis already got what they wanted (bulldozing Gaza), and now Trump gets to look strong. It feels to me this was all planned and there’s a lot of suckers, even in radical spaces apparently, falling for it.
Lol you got reported for trolling.
Me being wrong (if in fact I am) and even deluded (if in fact I were) still doesn’t constitute a troll.
Yeah I disagree with your response but it’s not trolling at all and dumb to be modded
Thanks!
Most people don’t understand what modding is about.
In fact they prefer censorship of opinions and or tone they don’t like until it happens to them.
These people haven’t really developed the proepr framework for understanding that the world is bigger than them.
Most never really do hence why have poorly educated idiots fighting culture wars amongst themselves while owner class is destroying all of in a class war.
No, no, no.
Censorship is when people that I agree with are silenced.
When people I disagree with are silenced, that’s just stopping trolls!
/s (Needed exactly because there are people out there who genuinelly agree with this, so it’s not obviously satirical)
While technically your intent isn’t that of trolling, it’s such an incredibly afactual statement that a reasonable person could not be expected to realise that you (claim to) genuinely believe it. It’s unreasonable for a person to genuinely believe such things after seeing the last decade with their own eyes, so even if you’re not a troll your comment only detracts from and muddies the discussion.
If someone told you that they genuinely believe the earth is a concave disk, you would look around at the horizon and assume they’re fucking with you because of how ridiculous a statement it is. Same thing here - there is no difference in your behaviour whether you’re trolling or genuinely believe it, so mods have to take the more reasonable assumption.
We all agree with what octopus_ink said.
He presented himself as a stronger defender of Israel, and is seen as less sympathetic to Palestine than Biden or Harris. He vowed to continue supporting Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, and said that Israel must “finish the problem”. Trump is expected to continue arming Israel, likely with “no strings attached” for humanitarian concerns. He promised to ban Gaza residents from entering the US. Trump said his government would “crush” pro-Palestinian protests, deport pro-Palestinian demonstrators, and “set the movement back 25 or 30 years”. At times, he has also been critical of Israel’s war in Gaza, saying Israel should “get it over with … get back to peace and stop killing people”.
And yet he got a peace plan going that a bunch of Muslim countries signed onto. Better than biden. The bar is in hell.
Getting off topic here
Focus, please.
What matters here is if OP is trolling or not. Unless there’s yet another hidden .ml rule like “if we assume you to be deluded we’ll remove your comment”, but then it should be explicit and properly tagged as such in the modlog.
From your other comment (to avoid double reply):
While technically your intent isn’t that of trolling
We [people in general] don’t know someone else’s “intent” over the internet, nor we should lie to ourselves (or worse, assume) that we do.
so mods have to take the more reasonable assumption.
No, they don’t. To assume is not acceptable mod behaviour. (Or decent/moral human behaviour, when you’re dealing with other humans.) Rule enforcement should be solely based on what is visible.
That includes trolling. Now, here’s the question, does OP’s comment constitute trolling? You should argue if it is or it is not; the rest is just skibidi toilet.
